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  • #23121
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    Oceanopolis, I have no idea what you mean by this “By the way, ssteve, I really like your “Meetup” idea.” perhaps someone else posted that.

    All technologies are derided by luddites at first, there was a time when the idea that men could fly was laughable, in the “grey goo” scenario, nanotechnology could destroy all life on earth so the idea of 3d printers building seasteads is not so far fetched.
    In the future all manufactured items will be printed and they will be designed and/or serviced by intelligent machines, people will be entirely redundant.

    #23109
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    Or, you can first built that big ass 3d printer that will do the “job” for you. Just in case that science fiction seasteading scenarios are your hobby,…

    The “big ass” 3D printer will of course be printed by a much smaller 3D printer.
    Until someone builds a seastead, seasteading is and will remain science fiction.

    #23106
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    I could imagine a seastead being built on a “foundation” of Salter’s ducks, these devices convert movement caused by waves, into electricity, hundreds or thousands of these ducks would support a stable platform.
    A twin printer could be built on ducks, the lower printer prints ducks and the upper printer prints the concrete seastead on a conveyor belt, when the concrete has set, the conveyor belt moves the platform onto the waiting ducks and the next few feet of platform is extruded directly onto the edge of the preceding extrusion, so you have a continuous platform of any length, the width of the seastead would be limited by the length of the printer.
    Another possibility is an inflateable plastic form, when the form is inflated, pockets in the form are filled with concrete to form the floors and support coloums of the seastead, the outer skin of the form is an air filled pocket or pockets in which air is moved by the energy of the waves to create wind that is used to generate electricity.
    Direct Solar energy would be used for light and water/air heating.

    #23058
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    If you have the space you could build a waste elimination system, the heavy waste drops to the bottom of the tank while the water is filtered and runs into a second tank, this water is pumped through a black pipe exposed to sunlight, heat from the sun turns the water into steam which could drive a steam engine or released into the atmosphere.
    The heavy waste is consumed by bacteria, creating methane gas which is used as fuel in an internal combustion engine turning a generator.
    Now I am not saying any of this is easy or cheap, but it offers a profit in the longer term which paying someone to take the waste away does not.

    #22834
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    “….solving their differences on a moral-spiritual set of universal, unwritten laws…On which I might be wrong due to my Christian upbringing. Therefore the need for written LAW.”

    You are right, most people can be brought up to want to treat people as they themselves would want to be treated which is why I do not think we need many laws.

    My concern is that if people think they should make laws then they will make unnecessary laws, laws that do not make anyone’s life better, next they will want to be paid for all the “good” work they are doing for the community.

    #22832
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    It’s a tricky balancing act, if it needs say 75% of voters to decide something it will only require 25% to oppose it, so the opposition are in a much stronger position.
    I would like to think that if the constition, bill of rights and small set of laws have been sufficiently well thought out, there may be little for the democratic process to do, they might even be limited in what they could do and how often they could make a change to some aspect of life on the Seastead.
    I do not believe that most people care about democracy unless it is making their life harder, they just want to be left alone to get on with the necessary aspects of day to day life, direct democracy could take the form of a forum where issues concerning some people can be discussed, fears alleviated or a concensus arrived at that something needs to be done, the forum then moves on to developing what in fact needs to be done to alleviate the percieved problem whilst not being in any way ” draconian”, such decisions must not violate the Constitution or bill of rights.
    Maybe the democratic process could be limited to one “meddle” per year, since that democracy would be every bit as incompetant as any other.

    #22830
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    I would prefer a Seastead to have the minimum possible “Government”, it’s sole pupose should be to create a safe and equitable place for people to live and prosper, the trouble with all current governments is that they have people who are corrupt, self serving and/or incompetant, meddling in things they do not understand.
    The Seastead needs a Constitution, A “bill of rights and responsibilities” a minimal set of laws and direct democracy to handle unforeseen developments, working on the principal of “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it”.
    I do not like the sound of ancient man’s seastead where residents would be subjected to the will of the founders, how long before everyone is enslaved?
    You cannot leave if the founders won’t let you go.

    #22356
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    They seem to have a new website http://www.new-utopia.com/

    #22302
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    I would say that the government needs to be on the seastead, if an insurrection or an invasion occurs, you may not hear about it for hours or days, it will then be much harder to take back control of the seastead unless you have remote control of critical systems, i.e you turn off water and power.

    A government type office in another country is called an embassy or government in exile.

    Those countries which have or had empires tended to have a large military force to keep control, but they were and are under intense politcal pressure to relinquish their empires.

    It may be possible to run several seasteads under one government but I do not think it will be common or easy.

    #22295
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    That depends on the design, you might design something in steel which would be expensive as well as requiring constant maintenance or you might design something that is cheaper yet will have a limited lifespan and need to be replaced after so many years.

    Do you really want such a large single structure, maybe it would be better to link up 2500 rafts each 20mtr square to create your 1Km square island.

    Your island could start small and grow as funds become available or demands dictate.

    #22053
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    If a Government wants someone they will come in and get them, a seastead cannot protect anyone from abduction or assasination.

    #22026
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    I think printing something the size of an oil rig in one piece is going to be too much to ask for, especially when you consider maintenance issues, if something breaks down, you want to replace only the broken part, not print another complete replacement “oilrig”.

    3D printing is important to seasteading as it would allow us to print parts on demand rather than having to keep parts in our stores just in case something breaks down, the open source RepRap community is working hard to develop the technology, and we could help by experimenting with plastic collected from the gyres to create recycled plastic for printing with.

    The most obvious problem that needs to be dealt with or planned for is that plastic breaks down with exposure to ultra violet light, some chemical added to the plastic might slow down that process, but not being a chemical engineer, I do not know what additive is needed or even possible.

    The RepRap can only make components that fit within its build table, I imagine something like a spider that can travel to its work area and lay down as much plastic as is needed to effect the repair, it should be able to build the parts needed to assemble new single family seasteads for occupation by newly independant children of the family, as their first home.

    Maybe one or two seasteaders could have expensive, professional 3D printers to supply the whole community with parts, but this impacts the independence of individual seasteaders.

    I worry about people being trapped on an abusive seastead where they are effectively prisoners with no way of getting help, and I would like to see seasteads grow as clusters of single family seasteads, so if things get rough in one place, they can drop their moorings and sail off to another cluster.

    An alternative to concrete that could be experimented with is of course, seacrete.

    #12082
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    It would make sense to have the breakwater generate electricity from wave energy while creating a calm lagoon for the boats.

    #12081
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    One person, one vote on every decision or proposed new legislation.

    There would be fewer laws because people don’t play politics, they get on with their lives, it is professional polititians that are the cause of all the worlds’ and nations internal problems because they cannot solve a problem, they don’t know how, but if they did they would not solve it so they could use it as an excuse to be voted back for another term, saying their work is not finished.

    I hold politicians in the deepest contempt.

    #12065
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    Representative democracy has been shown to be a scam, representatives ignore the people who voted for them and sell their influence to anyone with cash.

    Every person should be their own representative with the power to propose new legislation and the ability to vote on every thing.

    Computers, communications and the internet allows real democracy, we should not ignore this opportunity, if everyone voted on everything there would be less war, less corruption and fewer laws, resulting in a freer, fairer more civilised society.

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