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  • #23869
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    My opinion is to buld a geodesic spere. The base units would be triangles made of
    rigid polyurethane foam covered with ferro cement and some steel pipes inside the foam.
    The reinforcing pipes would form the core of the geodesic dome.
    Each triagle would be bouyant enough to float, in case the dome falls apart it would not sink.
    Or not all of it would sink.
    The dome would be partially above the water, about 20%. The rest of the dome would be flooded.
    The under water part of the dome could be used for farming fish, nor else.
    The above the water part would be possible to seel water tight in case the need to submerge the
    whole sphere.
    Structural triagle part of the dome, spere could be prefabricated on land and assembled in water.
    Different sizes of domes could be built. I would start with a small one.
    The fish farm square, that was built in Hawaii is , I guess 27 feet diameter.

    #23866
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    I agree with Ocean. I disagree with Elmer.

    #23864
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    Thank you for posting; Peter. I will send you an email.

    #23856
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    Ocean; I like idea of “…what’s next?”
    -)))
    Elmer; I like the dutch pod hotel. Specially the one with the woman in it.
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    cube or sphere, I like th outdoors. Though I like comfort too, like bathroom,
    washing machine and dryer and other stuff. I like sailing and scuba diving and
    swimming (no sharks) kayaking … etc… So I would come out of the sphere
    just like I get out of the cube too.

    #23852
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    May be a little more explanation about the spherical structure:
    …most likely made of ferro-cement
    …modular building, where parts could be made on land and assembled in water
    …the floating could be adjusted back and forth to be partially submerged and to completely
    submerged to depth 2-3 times the height of the waves
    …it would be anchored to the sea floor or anchored with sea-anchors in deep water
    …some engines with propellers would be necessary to hold position

    #23851
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    Zutai;
    That appears to be true what you wrote about the king. I think, that is called: captain , on a vessel.
    There is a difference between a vessel and a floating structure. I thin international law (marine-time law)
    recognizes it. Florida state law definitely recognizes this difference, and has different registrations for them.
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    As long as a king or a captain goes, the political point of a seastead would be that individuals can come and
    leave as they wish. So when there is a bad captain, and there are bad rules, that captain can enjoy loneliness.
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    The start would be probably individual seasteads, and the builder would be the owner and the captain.
    I would like to use the word captain instead of king. The captain can determine who may come aboard, and under
    what conditions.
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    The reason of why there is no physical seasteads built yet, may be that persons cannot agree on the rules of the
    seastead. Kind of like “if I do not get this or that, then I am not interested building the seastead.
    This could also be an escape and a justification for persons who have lots of words but little actions.
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    In my opinion ocean farming is a way to overcome this.
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    I think, the first thing would be necessary is to build something strong enough to support life in open ocean conditions
    under any weather. A spherical structure seems to be reasonable. This spherical structure would be mostly submerged,
    so big waves would roll over it. Further more it would be beneficial if the sphere could be submerged completely
    under water depth 2 or 3 times the height of the waves. The first and experimental structures would need to be small.
    I think it could become a kind of ocean farming seastead. It could be a single person operation. And there could be
    multiples of these in close proximity to each other. Each ocean farming seastead would have a captain, and there the
    plot thickens: how would these captains cooperate and get along with each other and with the main land.
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    Well, something like this.
    This is not a discussion or question and answer kind of communication.
    It is more like lamentation.
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    Respectfully
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    #23848
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    Ocean;
    Thank you.

    #23844
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    I am OK with the topic and the discussion. If someone does not like it
    he can start a topic for himself. I think, since Zutai started this topic,
    he can define what is off topic.
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    Since Zutai mentioned monarchy, I would like to mention anarchy.
    By anarchy I do not mean chaos, but I mean natural laws. But I think ;
    I wrote about it before. Anarchy and natural laws are not my inventions.
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    Some of these things naturally derive from each other. Such as a right for life
    has to include the right for self-defense.
    The right for freedom (freedom of life) includes life.
    So a seastead has to defend and sustain the human life against the elements.
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    I think, it is correct to talk about natural conditions where a seastead is going to be.
    There are going to be difficulties: waves, storms, climate, need for food,
    need for drinking water. etc…
    What are the conditions, and how to accommodate life under those conditions.
    Lots of these conditions are governed by natural laws (example: wave hight, air temperature,
    water temperature…etc…) So in my opinion, an anarchist point of view has to
    observe the physical reality, and appropriate accommodations are necessary to sustain life.
    Some of these theories have to originate from natural phenomenons, those are self-evident to
    those who want to live according to those phenomenons
    (For example: there has to be a right for life, because I have life. It is a self-evident
    phenomenon that I experience.)
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    I am interested about how to accommodate a free life.
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    Respectfully;

    #23836
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    “Freedom is not defined by safety. Freedom is
    defined by the ability of citizens to live
    without government interference. Government cannot
    create a world without risk, nor would we really
    wish to livein such a fictional place.”
    Ron Paul
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    I like Ron Paul. There are lots of comments I could make
    about this quote. Just to make it simple and not to
    open a can of worms:
    “Freedom is defined by the ability of citizens to live
    without government interference.”
    As I see the operative word in this sentence: live.
    So, without life there is no freedom.
    And , bla bla bla and so forth.

    #23832
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    Tue, Aug 19, 2014
    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/man-rescued-trying-sail-us-300-dinghy-152404511.html#gdygIe8
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    A man has been rescued five miles off the Dorset coast while
    attempting to sail to America in a £300 dinghy.
    The 30-year-old Bulgarian national bought the 14ft vessel
    from Christchurch harbour on Saturday and then set off on
    his 3,500-mile voyage across the Atlantic.
    Passing yachtsmen raised the alarm after spotting him looking
    seasick in choppy water off Hengistbury Head, near Bournemouth.
    The man, who was alone on the sailing dinghy, refused help when
    an RNLI lifeboat arrived and kept saying: “I am going west.”
    After refusing assistance for 45 minutes, the crew dragged him
    on to their boat and took him to shore.
    Lifeboat crewman Pete Dadds, 41, said the dinghy was taking on water,
    and the man would have died if he had not been rescued.
    The man was not wearing a life jacket, his boat had no lights
    and his only navigational aid was a street map of Southampton.
    Aside from that, he had a passport containing a US visa, hot dogs,
    beans and a bag of biscuits.
    “When we reached the gentleman he didn’t want us there,
    he wanted to carry on his way,” Mr Dadds said.
    “We were not happy leaving him out there.
    He kept saying ‘I am going west’.
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    Tue, Aug 19, 2014
    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/man-rescued-trying-sail-us-300-dinghy-152404511.html#gdygIe8

    #23830
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    I went to see Key West and other places in Florida.
    I like Key West.
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    I still have some unfinished business here on the West Coast for 12 more days.
    Depending when things get finished, I will get going to the Tampa Bay area.
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    I do have a Florida address.

    #23829
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    I think, that sounds good.

    #23819
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    I would like to agree with Ocean’s post about practical applications: there is a void.

    #23816
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    For me, the next move is Florida.

    #23815
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    Thanks Elmer.
    Interesting posts. Those are good illustrations. None of them are exactly it, and all of them
    have something.
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    The Benjamin Franklin submarine experiment is an interesting one.
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    The concrete submarine is an interesting one too.

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