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August 30, 2014 at 4:17 pm #23921
Also some other operating seasteads I found today: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spitbank_FortAugust 30, 2014 at 1:45 pm #23919
oh i dont expect anyone to get hella riche with a seasteading venture… i just think it will be a lot less embarrassing for the overall movement if Fox news doesnt have video of a bunch of ridiculous numbskulls and tweekers out there doing some stupid things. Hopefully seasteading people realize the importance of revenue to keep it afloat. Zutai keeps asking me to jump in to his project, and maybe i dont know enough but it doesnt look like a solid plan yet.
ALSO i think you meant the Diamond Shoals Tower when you said it was missing some bracing. There are 3 identical towers. The worst condition is Diamond Shoals which was bought for $20,000. The best condition is Chesapeake Tower which NOAA still owns/operates. Mr. Neal bought the FPT for about $80,000.August 30, 2014 at 1:39 pm #23917
HERES A LIL BIT… OF WHAT… OCEAN… IS TALKING ABOUT!!!! IT CAN BE… A LITTLE BIT WINDY… OUT HERE ON THE… FPT!!! SOMETIMES!! BUT ALSO… IT CAN BE…
…like really nice!August 30, 2014 at 5:55 am #23915
Wow my very first thread on TSI forums. It went a little rough. Somehow i didnt recall your tristead reply but i think we also discussed it on another thread later on.
Simply put, I WILL FULLY SUPPORT EVERY PROJECT THAT INTENDS TO MAKE A PROFIT. I have a full year experience working in 5 different California shipyards as a steel surface prep technician / painter. I have been a Sketchup artist since 2009. I have worked in paint off and on since 1997. Formerly a NACE certified CIP level 1. I have a 2-year engineering degree, and a 4-yr Leadership degree. I have morally supported seasteading since 2009. I have built 2 functional physical models of my own conceptual designs.
The reason my designs started on a city scale and get smaller and smaller is the same reason Spacex talks about going to Mars. It’s a big lofty dream, meant to insire the imagination. I continue to divide it into smaller, more manageable pieces. I just havent found traction yet because there is a threshold to seasteading. It’s very technical and cannot be done very cheaply. I was knocked on my ass when Ellmer told me a few years ago how much it costs to rent a drydock. Then, after having the opportunity to work in one for several months I clearly understood why. Its extremely technical and requires vast amounts of human and financial capital.
Here is why I like Frying Pan Tower. When you study the literature the guy has owned it since 2010 and has not reported any injuries in transit or onboard the structure. Richard Neal (the owner) will tell you it is a for-profit venture. If you saw the online reservations calendar before summer they had a very full schedule of weekend customers paying $498 each for a 3-day stay. Yes, Mr. Neal solicits volunteers and donations. And he gets them because people are happy to participate! 4 years ago the guy had a rusty old piece of junk that was abandoned for almost 2 decades. Now he is building momentum. He has 12 200w solar panels, 3 different size gasoline generators, running water, 8 furnished bedrooms, an updated kitchen, a pool table, a HAM radio, INTERNET via microwave transponder, a steady stream of volunteers who often pay for their own transportation and help provide materials. The interior is fairly clean. He has established relationships with the nearest marina and civil airport who offer transport service.
Im not urging anybody to give him money or go volunteer (unless u feel inclined to), I just wish my fellow seasteaders would join together and morally support Mr. Neal for the success he is having. Its not like he’s the enemy. He is helping to blaze the trail and keep it lit for all of us.August 29, 2014 at 7:20 pm #23912
JW have a look at this video. I built a flat-bottom rectangular concrete model in 2011. We all agreed that it was only good for smooth waters, not open ocean. Dont anybody fuck with with me for saying ‘we’. By ‘we’ i mean me, oceanopolis, ellmer and some other guys who used to be on here. Wait about 30 seconds and ellmer will probably post a link to a video of a foreign coast guard that built a real flat-bottom floating surveillance station and it rocks too much for permanent residential settlement.
Ocean, you probably know that i got started in seasteading by designing a floating city for 10 million people that would cost $5 Trillion. I have also designed structures for 10K people, 1K people, and various ‘single-family’ seasteads. I have always said the design needs to be compelling enough to make a sale. If there isnt a single rich guy who is willing to “do it right”, there wont be enough poor fools to do it cheap (aka wrong). But at least im not rooting against anybody.August 29, 2014 at 2:19 pm #23908
finally, a thoughtful response. i really like the “20 ocean-worthy houseboats for $250k each” idea, but i dont know of any realistic designs. Do you have an example?August 29, 2014 at 12:04 pm #23905
u would rather spend another 2-3 years bickering about whether plastic bottles would help make a more cost effective concrete structure than be supportive of a guy who’s actually out there getting it done. making it happen. not seeing any logic here. the structure has been checked by engineers hired by the government and they say its structurally sound. I bet for $5M that tower could be fully prepped and repainted above and below water, new steel added wherever necessary, and made into a fabulous adventure resort. they could have different themes every week: diving, relaxing, business retreat, whale watching, fishing, Boy Scouts excursions, gambling, surgical procedures, adventure weddings, etc…
a lot of people focus way too hard on making everything “cheap”. that is not how to make it happen. you have to make a productive or service that is “compelling” and affordable. its like the difference between a ‘nissan leaf’ and a ‘tesla model s’.August 29, 2014 at 11:24 am #23903
so none of you guys think the frying pan tower is even worth talking about? its a real seastead. in private operation. it makes a little money too.August 28, 2014 at 12:36 pm #23893
What u guys think of this?
It was trash but now its being used like a home.August 28, 2014 at 9:35 am #23888
Fuck. Off.August 27, 2014 at 11:36 am #23879
I dont have a clue what Sparky is on about.August 27, 2014 at 11:12 am #23877
A journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step. Selling t-shirts in L.A. would be closer to seasteading than we are right now. None of us is making a dime in Seasteading. Patri built this website, this movement, this organization to facilitate the entrepreneurs who would put this conceptual idea into play in the physical world. Now we just have to do it. Doesnt need to be grand. I am offering 3D modeling services under the name “3D Fantaseas of L.A.” I did $500 worth of business so far. My customer probably never heard of”seasteading”, but he contributed to it just by doing business with me.August 27, 2014 at 7:02 am #23874
Its true the discussion hasnt been very constructive. Theres just not enough emphasis on ‘making the sale’. Like you guys think we have to postulate the perfection of seasteading in our minds. What if Apple didnt start selling the iPhone in 2007? What if they just kep it in labratory testing to reach some ridiculous level of perfection like, they wont release it until its as good as the (actual) 2014 model. Thats bullshit. A product or service is worth what a consumer is willing to pay for it. Make. The. Fucking. Sale. Sell t-shirts that have a seasteading theme. Operate a floating cafe. It doesnt matter. Just do something and call it seasteading already!
Theres my 2 cents.August 21, 2014 at 1:51 pm #23824
poverty in L.A. I was working in shipyards over a year (San Diego and Alameda), but I got laid off twice. Its rough. Tell me things are going better for u on the Gulf.
im trying to offer 3D modeling services but theres a ton of competition for that here. (https://www.facebook.com/3DFantaseaLA)August 21, 2014 at 1:26 pm #23821