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  • #23983
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    That website is like a placeholder. I made it just to develop the content. I was gonna have this dude make up a real nice wordpress version of the whole retail website but he turned out to be a total knucklehead.

    Of course I charge 25 grand for a consultation fee. Otherwise id have every sly fox news reporter breathing down my throat and calling this a libertarian scheme. I only want to talk to qualified decision-makers who are willing to commit some real money.

    #23981
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    Ya know Ocean, you’re a real firecracker. Why dont you go blow up somewhere and show us your true colors. Its not about more time its about connecting with empowered decision makers who can set me up with the money I need to do one of my projects, like the 4 projects on http://www.habitationsystems.com, or a scale version. The difference is I wont burn them like Wil did. ¡You have to follow through!

    #23979
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    ON QUALITY – Google has made and continues to develop scores of different products. Many are very useful especially their most successful product which is Adwords. They charge a lot of money for Adwords because they know its a quality product far better than almost any other competitor (Facebook, Baidu, Yandex, etc.). Apple, in contrast, makes just a handful of products but they are still the king of profit and stock market capitalization. What are some of the key differences between these two? Why do so many millions of people get excited about overpriced electronics that can be so easily outmatched by their competitors? The answer is “perceived value”.
    Apple focuses on delivering tangible products that are supported by smooth simple to use software. Once consumers hand over such a huge chunk of their money to purchase Apple products, they tend to feel satisfied that they got what they were sold without any disappointment (sorry no references here). They dont need to have any clue why the products work, they just need to know how to use it which is what a majority of consumers prefer. The products are more durable, more sexy, more classic, and now have more “status” than their Android counterparts. For example, when you fly on an airplane, look around and notice the proportion of iPhones and iPads over Android devices. Now see if a similar proportion exists at the bus stop.
    Why is this important to Seasteaders? Because consumers who have expendable income will not spend large amounts of their money without defining a compelling value proposition. To attract investment into a Seasteading project it is paramount to define a value proposition that provides an extremely high level of perceived value and quality.
    As a statistical fact there is a threshold to Seasteading that dictates a very costly barrier-to-entry. This movement cannot begin without substantial investments likely costing, at the very least, 10s of millions of dollars. From a statistical standpoint it is not possible in the early 21st century to do this cheaply.
    That is why I urge my fellow Seasteaders to focus on the value proposition. Define your market. Understand their purchasing behavior and capacity. Develop a vision that acts as a “hook” or a “harpoon” to bait their interest and lure them where YOU want them to go. Make it sexy.
    Sexy Seastead

    #23974
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    Wow Ocean! I cant believe our trails crossed so closely. I didnt know u hung around there. What kind of work did you do? I literally lived inside my pickup truck for 14 months in the Staples parking lot on Garnet and Ingraham in PB. I also stayed for a month in the public “overnight parking allowed (but not sleeping)” lot thats near the rollercoaster by Mission Beach but i finally got a ticket. But guess what?? The place where I dismantled the Bergstead and the hydroturbine test platform is at “Hospitality Point Park”! I put the pieces in the dumpster right there! Ive moved around a lot lately since i dont have a job. Now im in the Long Beach/San Pedro area.

    When I was working on the Navy ships for YYK Enterprises, I drove all the way from PB. I didnt want to be in a rough neighborhood.

    #23972
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    OCEAN – What marina(s) did you have a live in slip around San Diego? Shelter Island? Harbor Island? Some other place? Prob some other place, those are expensive. Sparky had a boat at Dana Point but I dont think he lived in it.

    ZUTAI – When Ocean said “What ocean-going boat…” thats what he meant. I suggest taking a ride on the Catalina Ferry to get a better idea about the conditions on the littoral seas. Also you need a truck and a trailer to haul your little dinghy around, or spend at least $300/mo for a slip in SoCal.

    #23961
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    dont be a dick bag, ocean

    #23947
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    Here Zutai, do this:
    Floating skate ramps

    #23942
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    #23934
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    HAHAHA! Im glad that your mad, because it really is a *ucked up world that we live in. But YES if the Kardashians bought and settled into a seastead it would be seen much more favorably by the media and popular culture than a bunch of “hicks” who strap together some concrete cubes. Thats how society works brothaa! I didnt say the celebrity will have a better understanding of the engineering. Oh hell no, of course not! But that wont matter because they’ll pay tons of money to make sure it just works. Let me ask you something: Who physically builds iPhones? Chinese, right? Who buys iPhones? Rich Americans! I dont make the rules, buddy I just play the game!! And I play to WIN!

    #23931
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    Seasteading is presented by Oceanopolis as a hub and spoke with natural resource extraction being the hub, and services being the spokes. This is not the best paradigm to view seasteading. Extraction and basic manipulation of raw resources is continuing on a path of robotics and automation. The stakeholders need ever fewer man-hours per unit of production and this trend is due to continue in the next few decades. There needs to be a cultural sea change turning a more appealing eye toward creative and service talents emanating from the people who have an outside perspective due to their healthier and more fruitful, satisfying lifestyle offshore. When a movie star, singer, succesful business-person or other influential celebrity decides to live more than 12 miles offshore, it will be worth more than 10,000 high-paid low class rig operators in value toward promoting the social acceptance of permanent offshore inhabitance.

    #23927
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    Theres an important distinction I need to make. Ellmer has done a lot of good for keeping us in check with existing engineering technology. But what Im trying to say is that we need an increased demand for seasteading-related SERVICES rather than products. Products that emanate from seasteading only serve to support the existing way of life on Earth. SERVICES, on the other hand, bring the culture to the sea. That is why Im excited about FPT and Solent Forts. They are using structures that were designed to military specifications (USCG uses military grade engineering, not commercial) and merely need to be refurbished. While refurbishment alone can be very expensive, it is still at least one order of magnitude less costly than developing and constructing brand-new structures. Therefore these businesses can make a profit and help further the cause of seasteading worldwide. These projects are also a step closer to “homesteading the high seas” when compared to existing cruise ships.

    #23926
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    Ellmer you failed to provide a balanced quantification of the value of Solent Forts and Frying Pan Tower. These are not merely the “same old thing” as whats been done before. NO FUCKING SHIT, they dont accomplish every single element of an idealistic infinitely scalable seasteading system/platform. No one says they did! But you HAVE to give credit where it is due. You are not Fox News. You are welcome to your opinion but not your own facts! These projects are generating revenue and have a realistic plan to make a profit. Solent Forts are less than 2 miles offshore, so they have a more limited value in the realm of seasteading, but its better than a raftup in SF Bay, dont you think? And FPT is actually ouside the Contiguous Zone, its 34 miles offshore. I dont know what kind of contractual limitations are in effect but FPT could potentially demonstrate a lot of the theories discussed right here by TSI and us forum folk. If we’re gonna call for incremental progress, dont slather the parties who achieve it with all kinds of nonsense.

    #23923
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    Looking ahead on Frying Pan Towers reservation calendar: In January they seem to be opening up the schedule to reservations every day for every room. Pricing is $250 per person per day. I got my fingers crossed hopefully this goes well for Mr. Neal! Believe me I will be just as happy and supportive for all you when your seasteads get under way!
    So, Ocean, what design are we gonna start building in January? Is it the MMK? Tristead? Something else?

    #23921
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    Also some other operating seasteads I found today: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spitbank_Fort

    stuff

    #23919
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    oh i dont expect anyone to get hella riche with a seasteading venture… i just think it will be a lot less embarrassing for the overall movement if Fox news doesnt have video of a bunch of ridiculous numbskulls and tweekers out there doing some stupid things. Hopefully seasteading people realize the importance of revenue to keep it afloat. Zutai keeps asking me to jump in to his project, and maybe i dont know enough but it doesnt look like a solid plan yet.
    ALSO i think you meant the Diamond Shoals Tower when you said it was missing some bracing. There are 3 identical towers. The worst condition is Diamond Shoals which was bought for $20,000. The best condition is Chesapeake Tower which NOAA still owns/operates. Mr. Neal bought the FPT for about $80,000.

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