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September 1, 2014 at 10:57 am #23942
We arent the only ones facing this issue:
http://www.reddit.com/r/spacex/comments/2f6ct3/elon_has_suggested_several_times_that_the/August 31, 2014 at 7:55 pm #23934
HAHAHA! Im glad that your mad, because it really is a *ucked up world that we live in. But YES if the Kardashians bought and settled into a seastead it would be seen much more favorably by the media and popular culture than a bunch of “hicks” who strap together some concrete cubes. Thats how society works brothaa! I didnt say the celebrity will have a better understanding of the engineering. Oh hell no, of course not! But that wont matter because they’ll pay tons of money to make sure it just works. Let me ask you something: Who physically builds iPhones? Chinese, right? Who buys iPhones? Rich Americans! I dont make the rules, buddy I just play the game!! And I play to WIN!August 31, 2014 at 3:01 pm #23931
Seasteading is presented by Oceanopolis as a hub and spoke with natural resource extraction being the hub, and services being the spokes. This is not the best paradigm to view seasteading. Extraction and basic manipulation of raw resources is continuing on a path of robotics and automation. The stakeholders need ever fewer man-hours per unit of production and this trend is due to continue in the next few decades. There needs to be a cultural sea change turning a more appealing eye toward creative and service talents emanating from the people who have an outside perspective due to their healthier and more fruitful, satisfying lifestyle offshore. When a movie star, singer, succesful business-person or other influential celebrity decides to live more than 12 miles offshore, it will be worth more than 10,000 high-paid low class rig operators in value toward promoting the social acceptance of permanent offshore inhabitance.August 31, 2014 at 8:06 am #23927
Theres an important distinction I need to make. Ellmer has done a lot of good for keeping us in check with existing engineering technology. But what Im trying to say is that we need an increased demand for seasteading-related SERVICES rather than products. Products that emanate from seasteading only serve to support the existing way of life on Earth. SERVICES, on the other hand, bring the culture to the sea. That is why Im excited about FPT and Solent Forts. They are using structures that were designed to military specifications (USCG uses military grade engineering, not commercial) and merely need to be refurbished. While refurbishment alone can be very expensive, it is still at least one order of magnitude less costly than developing and constructing brand-new structures. Therefore these businesses can make a profit and help further the cause of seasteading worldwide. These projects are also a step closer to “homesteading the high seas” when compared to existing cruise ships.August 31, 2014 at 7:48 am #23926
Ellmer you failed to provide a balanced quantification of the value of Solent Forts and Frying Pan Tower. These are not merely the “same old thing” as whats been done before. NO FUCKING SHIT, they dont accomplish every single element of an idealistic infinitely scalable seasteading system/platform. No one says they did! But you HAVE to give credit where it is due. You are not Fox News. You are welcome to your opinion but not your own facts! These projects are generating revenue and have a realistic plan to make a profit. Solent Forts are less than 2 miles offshore, so they have a more limited value in the realm of seasteading, but its better than a raftup in SF Bay, dont you think? And FPT is actually ouside the Contiguous Zone, its 34 miles offshore. I dont know what kind of contractual limitations are in effect but FPT could potentially demonstrate a lot of the theories discussed right here by TSI and us forum folk. If we’re gonna call for incremental progress, dont slather the parties who achieve it with all kinds of nonsense.August 30, 2014 at 8:48 pm #23923
Looking ahead on Frying Pan Towers reservation calendar: In January they seem to be opening up the schedule to reservations every day for every room. Pricing is $250 per person per day. I got my fingers crossed hopefully this goes well for Mr. Neal! Believe me I will be just as happy and supportive for all you when your seasteads get under way!
So, Ocean, what design are we gonna start building in January? Is it the MMK? Tristead? Something else?August 30, 2014 at 4:17 pm #23921
Also some other operating seasteads I found today: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spitbank_FortAugust 30, 2014 at 1:45 pm #23919
oh i dont expect anyone to get hella riche with a seasteading venture… i just think it will be a lot less embarrassing for the overall movement if Fox news doesnt have video of a bunch of ridiculous numbskulls and tweekers out there doing some stupid things. Hopefully seasteading people realize the importance of revenue to keep it afloat. Zutai keeps asking me to jump in to his project, and maybe i dont know enough but it doesnt look like a solid plan yet.
ALSO i think you meant the Diamond Shoals Tower when you said it was missing some bracing. There are 3 identical towers. The worst condition is Diamond Shoals which was bought for $20,000. The best condition is Chesapeake Tower which NOAA still owns/operates. Mr. Neal bought the FPT for about $80,000.August 30, 2014 at 1:39 pm #23917
HERES A LIL BIT… OF WHAT… OCEAN… IS TALKING ABOUT!!!! IT CAN BE… A LITTLE BIT WINDY… OUT HERE ON THE… FPT!!! SOMETIMES!! BUT ALSO… IT CAN BE…
…like really nice!August 30, 2014 at 5:55 am #23915
Wow my very first thread on TSI forums. It went a little rough. Somehow i didnt recall your tristead reply but i think we also discussed it on another thread later on.
Simply put, I WILL FULLY SUPPORT EVERY PROJECT THAT INTENDS TO MAKE A PROFIT. I have a full year experience working in 5 different California shipyards as a steel surface prep technician / painter. I have been a Sketchup artist since 2009. I have worked in paint off and on since 1997. Formerly a NACE certified CIP level 1. I have a 2-year engineering degree, and a 4-yr Leadership degree. I have morally supported seasteading since 2009. I have built 2 functional physical models of my own conceptual designs.
The reason my designs started on a city scale and get smaller and smaller is the same reason Spacex talks about going to Mars. It’s a big lofty dream, meant to insire the imagination. I continue to divide it into smaller, more manageable pieces. I just havent found traction yet because there is a threshold to seasteading. It’s very technical and cannot be done very cheaply. I was knocked on my ass when Ellmer told me a few years ago how much it costs to rent a drydock. Then, after having the opportunity to work in one for several months I clearly understood why. Its extremely technical and requires vast amounts of human and financial capital.
Here is why I like Frying Pan Tower. When you study the literature the guy has owned it since 2010 and has not reported any injuries in transit or onboard the structure. Richard Neal (the owner) will tell you it is a for-profit venture. If you saw the online reservations calendar before summer they had a very full schedule of weekend customers paying $498 each for a 3-day stay. Yes, Mr. Neal solicits volunteers and donations. And he gets them because people are happy to participate! 4 years ago the guy had a rusty old piece of junk that was abandoned for almost 2 decades. Now he is building momentum. He has 12 200w solar panels, 3 different size gasoline generators, running water, 8 furnished bedrooms, an updated kitchen, a pool table, a HAM radio, INTERNET via microwave transponder, a steady stream of volunteers who often pay for their own transportation and help provide materials. The interior is fairly clean. He has established relationships with the nearest marina and civil airport who offer transport service.
Im not urging anybody to give him money or go volunteer (unless u feel inclined to), I just wish my fellow seasteaders would join together and morally support Mr. Neal for the success he is having. Its not like he’s the enemy. He is helping to blaze the trail and keep it lit for all of us.August 29, 2014 at 7:20 pm #23912
JW have a look at this video. I built a flat-bottom rectangular concrete model in 2011. We all agreed that it was only good for smooth waters, not open ocean. Dont anybody fuck with with me for saying ‘we’. By ‘we’ i mean me, oceanopolis, ellmer and some other guys who used to be on here. Wait about 30 seconds and ellmer will probably post a link to a video of a foreign coast guard that built a real flat-bottom floating surveillance station and it rocks too much for permanent residential settlement.
Ocean, you probably know that i got started in seasteading by designing a floating city for 10 million people that would cost $5 Trillion. I have also designed structures for 10K people, 1K people, and various ‘single-family’ seasteads. I have always said the design needs to be compelling enough to make a sale. If there isnt a single rich guy who is willing to “do it right”, there wont be enough poor fools to do it cheap (aka wrong). But at least im not rooting against anybody.August 29, 2014 at 2:19 pm #23908
finally, a thoughtful response. i really like the “20 ocean-worthy houseboats for $250k each” idea, but i dont know of any realistic designs. Do you have an example?August 29, 2014 at 12:04 pm #23905
u would rather spend another 2-3 years bickering about whether plastic bottles would help make a more cost effective concrete structure than be supportive of a guy who’s actually out there getting it done. making it happen. not seeing any logic here. the structure has been checked by engineers hired by the government and they say its structurally sound. I bet for $5M that tower could be fully prepped and repainted above and below water, new steel added wherever necessary, and made into a fabulous adventure resort. they could have different themes every week: diving, relaxing, business retreat, whale watching, fishing, Boy Scouts excursions, gambling, surgical procedures, adventure weddings, etc…
a lot of people focus way too hard on making everything “cheap”. that is not how to make it happen. you have to make a productive or service that is “compelling” and affordable. its like the difference between a ‘nissan leaf’ and a ‘tesla model s’.August 29, 2014 at 11:24 am #23903
so none of you guys think the frying pan tower is even worth talking about? its a real seastead. in private operation. it makes a little money too.August 28, 2014 at 12:36 pm #23893