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  • #16900
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    I hear what you’re saying. But really. How deep will you be submerging fish tanks? How deep with the deepest one get? If you bring it to the surface, then dive into it, then you aren’t going to dive as deep. What’s more, I spoke of free diving, but what about spearfishermen? They use the concepts of free diving, while at the same time doing work (killing fish). Free diving came from oyster divers, who apparently discovered the ability in the first place.

    If we’re talking about doing repairs, then yes, use the scuba gear with surface air pumped into it. But if you are simply inspecting fish pens, or the underside of the seastead, all you’re really doing is swimming to the depth of the bottom of the seastead. Take a camera with you and snap a few pictures from each viewpoint, then surface, and you can get a good idea of what is going on. If you see something you need to look at closer, you dive for a better look, or dawn the scuba gear and do some work.

    Harvesting fish in a fish pen is really no different than spearfishing. You could use the same techniques free diving spearfishermen use and get along fine.

    #14648
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    Shouri wrote:
    Why not try to become an international organization(humanitarian, enviromentalist) before trying to achieve nation status. If they see your organization as a commercial firm they won’t respect you (they refers to public and state nations) so unless you are a commercial giant with massive capital investments in many countries your seastead will be intervened. But if you are a famous enviromentalist organization (not necessarily a charity) with far less capital than the former example you’ll still have similar probability to survive and perhaps even higher probability to be recognized as a sovereign organization. Also i know it is a kind of requirement but i dont like to use the term ‘land’ in seastead constitutions by using it you look like you are accepting the tradition of the neccesity of the land to become a nation, when your own constitution is used against you the only way to defend it will be the use of rhetorics. I’d rather go for ‘supreme law of the seastead’ than ‘land’, also by saying ‘…who visit and settle HERE…’ it might be assumed that you are permanently stationary. If you somehow make them accept the surface area of your seastead as land then all of it is ok i guess just like UK recognised Sealand in some manner, though i doubt it will go like that, i think we should refrain from such statements and seek autonomy rather than sovereignity in the first phase of seasteading.

    At one point, that was my idea entirely. I’ve watched with much laughter the antics of the Sea Shepherds in Antarctica and thought to myself, instead of being out there harrassing the Japanese, they could build something semi-permanent and begin keeping up with the different pods and adopting them. If someone took that idea, and added the idea of a seastead with it, and attempt to follow the migratory path of just one pod of whales, they could accomplish their mission of interdiction of commercial whaling much better than what they the Sea Shepherds are doing. Built on a grander scale, the non-profit would work world-wide on small communities who would be whale cowboys. Eventually, when the “herd” gets big enough, they could simply harvest and sell to the Japanese themselves and get funding that way. Why? Because they would know the numbers of their pod, and what their pod could withstand in predation.

    So I do like your idea of some kind of organization, even though I’m not really an environmentalist myself.

    #14639
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    Well yeah, its unproven technology (in the field). I’m sure they will work on it. However, I do think that if you learn free-diving, this would be a great tool, as you will only be respirating once every few minutes. It would greatly extend your dive time.

    #14594
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    I was thinking about law enforcement for seasteads. Since you wouldn’t really need uniformed police, per se, perhaps you could take a page out of the old science fiction stories. Your police would be more along the lines of a “Coast Guard”, even though they won’t have a coast to guard. Instead, they would patrol the area making sure nothing is going too far awry. They would enforce the limited laws (as well as the international law of the sea), of course, but would also act as search and rescue, firemen, interdiction, as well as a few other things I haven’t thought of yet. They would be a combination law enforcement/military force. So you wouldn’t be a law officer. You would be a Sea Ranger (or something like that).

    #14592
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    Just click on the words “BBC article” above. That’s the link.

    #14585
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    LOL… I’m a correctional officer. I like the idea of making the guys work for their food and what not. I observe inmates for a living. What I observe them doing is kicking back watching television and lifting weights. Some of them have jobs, but the great majority of them just sit around with their thumbs up their keisters cooking up ways to mess with staff.

    The simplest solution… lock them in their own seastead, and forbid them to trade with anyone. If they murder someone, take them to trial. If they are found guilty without a reasonable doubt, execute immediately.

    #14583
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    They could probably be made by some kind of specialist among the seasteaders and used as a trade item for food or other supplies.

    #14582
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    No, I haven’t tried it yet. I’ll eventually get around to it. However, I can do the same thing with Blender.

    #14578
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    There are also housetop solar water heaters, which heat the water by running it through the heater itself instead of storing it in a tank using electricity.

    #14577
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    I could see someone setting up a seastead as a university. As for training up the children… there’s always homeschooling. Each set of parents responsible for teaching their children until they reach college age. Then send them to university or teach them the family business. In fact, I kind of like the idea of guilds and apprenticeships. That is, after all, where universitys originated. That and monasteries.

    #14575
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    I didn’t say it was perfect. But you can either go over and kick the manure into the sea, or you move your seastead. Either way you’re going to have to do something, or just deal with it.

    #14564
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    Hmmm… talking about an iceberg gives me an idea. If you were to build it like a pyramid, with four sides, but coming to a point, it would react almost exactly like an iceberg. In fact, you would have more of it submerged than you would have showing… just like an iceberg.

    I have Linux. Sketchup hasn’t been ported to it yet.

    #14572
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    If it had tougher skin, a whale or porpous could survive in space without any problem at all. Its all in how your body is designed. If we could re-design our bodies to deal with weightlessness instead of our present design, which is built around 1g, then we could live in space perpetually. We wouldn’t even need feet. We could redesign ourselves with a second set of hands (probably using simian DNA).

    #14569
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    You’re on the open ocean. The whole thing is moving. What does it matter if you are a few more miles further than you would have been yesterday? You’re drifting on the ocean. Its not about real estate, or even position. There is no position better than another unless you are trying to keep away from the wind, in which case you would want to be downwind of someone so they can take the brunt of it.

    #14567
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    The rules, as I see it, would be the same as the rules of any tribe in the Amazon forest. You wouldn’t need a constitution. You would just need “tribal custom” as a guide. Any constitution would simply be a charter to set up the “tribal custom”.

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