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  • #25564
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    There is no seasteading community, ellmer…

    #25562
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    @William

    How can “My freedom is protected and others freedom is protected” if you are proposing a system “where the decisions are made by 5 people elected to these positions, serve until they reign, die or are not re-elected every 4 years. In other words a different kind of Governance.”??

    What is different here? You are proposing the same “representative democracy” system that is a failure worldwide,…Also, in the absence of a Constitution, those 5 people decisions regarding your freedom(s) and anybody freedom(s) will be based on WHAT?

    Your are setting yourself up for a dictatorship, in my view,…

    #25561
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    Oh,…OK, I see.

    Well, obviously, on these forums, everybody just wants to talk about seasteading….

    #25549
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    @ellmer

    That’s what I’ve been telling you,…Just telling investors (on the TSI’s forums?) that you can crank 20 sq.m./day @ $166/sq.m. while down the road by the water is 100 times more expensive and the fact that they can choose out of 20 “business plans”, doesn’t seem to cut it….specially without that WOW, “showroom model” in hand.

    The whole seasteading idea needs a well define niche, with a detailed business plan (THIS IS WHAT WE”LL BUILD) and a solid website with a solid marketing strategy…

    #25548
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    This should be under “floating island start phase 1” :)

    #25547
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    I told you my idea: A seastead could be built and owned on a “timeshare structure”. It doesn’t have to be a $1 Mil. seastead and 520 owners, LOL. That was just an example :)

    It can be a 4 units seastead x 4 weeks per owner = 52 owners @ $3000 initial investment/person = $156,000.00. Plenty enough to build it. Or less owners, double the weeks per owner, more money down each ==>> 4 units seastead x 8 weeks per owner = 26 owners @ $6000 initial investment/person = $152,000.00. Or any combination that works, more or less money.

    It can be non-profit, like a floating private club for the owners “leisurely enjoyment” only. Or it can be a business on the same “timeshare structure” where the owners can rent their weeks share to the public on a 3 day or weekly stay, for profit.

    Similar to this http://www.thebanyanresort.com/, but on the water.

    Timeshares is BIG business in US and Worldwide. Such seasteads can be built, lets say, close by Key West, Cartagena, Maui, New Orleans, Cancun, etc. and the owners can exchange their shares and stay in any of those locations. Thus, you can vacation all around the World for 2 weeks a year, and if for profit, put the rest of 6 weeks on the market (out of your total of 8, lets say) and make money. @ $300/night, that will make $10,800.00 every year out of a $6000.00 initial investment + your 2 weeks “free”…

    How can this be a “loss”? Everything it’s legal (for or not for profit) under a corporate umbrella,…

    #25542
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    Well, there is always something messed up in this world and seasteads will also be far from perfect :)

    #25541
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    Not all the seasteading businesses have the real estate as “primary”…I mean, yes, the floating structure will have to be built no matter what. But, in the case of a floating marina, all that matters is how many boats you gonna dock and at what price/foot. In the case of an artificial floating reef or floating resort all that matter is how many people you will bring aboard per day and at what price/person. In time, that square foot will generate $ hundred of thousands.

    In those cases the price of a square foot of oceanfront real estate in the closest city is irrelevant.

    We should develop with potential for continuous revenue from operating what we built for the investor, in my opinion.

    #25534
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    PS. Such venture could be easily crowdfunded, I think.

    #25533
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    You build it, you own it :)

    If you leave it unattended, on a rainy moonless night some crooks will strip it,…

    A seastead could be built on a “timeshare structure”. Assuming you can get, lets say, 520 people to split the construction and maintenance, than each of them will own a week of stay on the seastead, together with 10 other people.

    So, if a seastead with 10 living units plus public spaces will cost $1 Mil. to build, everybody will have to come up with only $1923.07 towards construction cost + a monthly maintenance fee. Not bad at all, I would say,..

    #25530
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    I agree.

    But, in the context of the “floating island start phase 1” thread, I think we have to start moving away from “just generalities”
    floating golf course
    floating condo development
    floating spa
    floating casino
    floating hotel
    floating event platform
    floating day stay offer
    floating disco
    floating club
    floating marina
    floating helmet dive base
    floating waterpark
    floating disney land
    floating aquarium
    floating artificial reef snorkel area
    floating real estate business cranking out housing and floating units
    yacht marina floating drydock service station
    building floating real estate square meters on a floating production line
    cluster assembly of all the above

    They are all valid and doable. But we’ll have to pick up one of the above (or which cluster assembly of all the above) is the best, in order to draw a business plan and get things going.

    “Floating island start phase 1” thread should be a call to action, not just another conversation about the “ifs” or “whats” of seasteading. We should be way beyond that,…

    #25526
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    ellmer, I don’t think that the Tankas were ever interested in a successful phase 1 conversation with any investors or vice versa :)

    Personally, I don’t see anything wrong with rafting up few successful seasteading businesses in order to diversify and grow.

    #25524
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    Raft up 5 floating cabins and you have an “island” :)

    #25513
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    Creating a floating (successful) business is not that easy. And that’s a fact. Otherwise, any moron on this planet would already have a floating business if it would have been that “easy”.

    Creating an independent nation on the ocean is not that “incredibly hard”. All you have to do is to find enough people on “mainland” who truly believe in the idea of an independent nation on the ocean, and who are ready to act. And the only way to do that on “mainland” is to create a seasteading micronation with a population, government, social structure and solid cash in the bank. Such micronation can than be “exported” on a future seastead, when built.

    My take on that. If anybody has a better idea, lets hear it.

    But there is no way in hell that such oceanic nation will survive at seas without making money. All those seasteaders will have to perform some sort of economic activity if they want to eat. Therefore, in the context of seasteading, freedom and business are inseparable and mutually interdependent.

    I said it before: NO MONEY, NO SEASTEADING. It ain’t rocket science to dig that,…

    #25509
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    “Where do you plan to be your best place to put this resort?”

    According to Peter Thiel you want to be where you “don’t have to deal with any competition” :)

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/heres-advice-billionaire-investor-peter-212010431.html

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