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  • #25961
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    I had, at one point, thought about using Fixed Platforms, but I think floating platforms are the way to go
    I mean declaring my own sovereign nation, creating a flag, and sailing under it and not the flag of some other nation.
     
    Wow, how naive I was. I chalk it up to the recklessness of youth….

    #25960
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    When creating fixed structures at sea you really only have two options:
     
    1) As patri said, the most common method is to build the entire structure on land and then float the structure to its final location. Once there you slowly submerge it until it rests on the sea floor. This is how many gravity-based structures such as Troll A and Draugen condeeps were installed.
     
    2) A newer style has the structure built on-site using slip forming. However, the structure is not built from the bottom-up. The concrete is actually poured at the surface, and the structure is lowered as new slip form layers are poured. This is how the Rio Antirio Bridge pylons were constructed:
     
    http://youtu.be/dmwIjpjcPv0?t=14m
     
    Regardless of which method used, slip forming will be required. You absolutely do not want multiple segments connected together, because at these depths they become a weak point. For these types of structures you need single continuous pours that result in single continuous structures with no weak points for water to work its way through.

    #25959
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    Do you have any “proposal page”, blog, forum, where you can point us what your color of seasteading is about ?
     
    I don’t need my own blog, I’ve said everything I need to say about my “color of seasteading” on the what defines a seastead thread.
     
    Even if I did have my own blog, I certainly wouldn’t find ways to constantly and blatantly spam links to it in an effort to increase my traffic.

    #25853
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    If an investor is seriously considering investing in a seasteading project, they aren’t going to want to discuss the details where other people can read it.
     
    Not only that, you can bet that any discussion around significant investment will be face-to-face. Nobody is going to scan these forums and say “Hey that guy AnonymousPoster sounds like he knows what he’s doing. He posted a bunch of links and pictures. I’ll wire him a couple hundred thousand dollars…”
     
    Any large investment will be discussed in person, most likely with legal representation present…so don’t worry too much about your “thread disciplne and informed posting”…

    #25852
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    well your above posts strongly suggested that you will not …
     
    That is because, as you say, it’s all about credibility, and I haven’t seen anything on this site or your own that proves you have anything credible to invest in.
     
    but you are right sometimes the guy with the worst attidude towards the project is the first to opt in…so maybe there is still hope…
     
    I find it pretty insulting that you suggest I have a bad attitude towards the project. I have a bad attitude towards people like you who continue to turn the seasteading movement into a simple investment opportunity…a way to make a few quick bucks. It is so much more than that, and by reducing it to “floating real estate” you devalue the entire movement and all the promise it has to bring real change to the world.
     
    And I’m sorry, but “thread discipline” is not going to make seasteading happen. Millions or billions of dollars is what’s going to make seasteading happen…provided by enlightened donors who want to create real change and not just show dollar signs on their year-end income statement.

    #25851
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    the idea of having a seasteading forum is obviously to become a reference point where investors and developers can meet and interchange ideas, present projects, and press agents can get informed.
     
    NO!!! The idea of having a seasteading forum is to DISCUSS SEASTEADING!!! Not for setting up a marine business. Not for looking for investors in floating condos or marinas. Not to let the media know about plans. The forums should be about the engineering, legal, economic, and political challenges of creating basic seasteads and/or sovereign seasteads.
     
    I know, I know. You’ll say “you won’t ever have a seastead until you have investors”. That might be true, but the investors we should be looking for are not venture capitalists looking to make a quick buck. They should be visionaries who believe in the ideas and values of creating new free states on the ocean.
     
    If you continue to just use seasteading as a simple marine business or “floating real estate” then you devalue the entire movement. That’s like supporting women’s rights just so you can sell them pants, or supporting equal opportunities for minorities just so you can get more customers in your store…

    #25849
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    I remember reading a post by Wayne Gramlich eons ago about how he had stopped giving interviews or talking to the media…no matter how well you try to talk about seasteading they will always twist the story around to paint you as some crazy anarchist who wants to setup some compound out in the ocean…because that sells newspapers (or, in this day and age…clicks).
     
    Just with a quick check of the news stories picking up this reality show information, I see us referred to as “Techno-Utopians” and “DIY-obsessed group of dreamers and schemers” and “Silicon Valley’s favorite libertarians” and “techno-libertarians” who are interested in “technocratic nautical world-building” and setting up a “unregulated offshore techno-libertarian Utopia”. They also are saying that TSI was “founded by Silicon Valley billionaire Peter Thiel”.
     
    So what good will come out of setting up this show? Nothing. There are no engineering, legal, economic or political questions that will be answered that will move seasteading forward. There are no answers to the questions of achieving self-sustainability, or sovereignty, or energy self-sustainability.
     
    The only thing this will do is give people a laugh at our expense. Look at those crazy libertarians trying to escape their taxes. Look at those gun-nuts and doomsday preppers trying to get ready for the zombie apocalypse. Look at all those scammers trying to sucker investors into sicking money into a floating data haven. And at no point will there be a serious discussion about creating new societies or experimenting with new forms of government.

    #25771
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    A non-tropical location.
     
    Well that’s not necessarily true…there are plenty of tropical locations where the weather and sea conditions can get pretty challenging.
     
    If this is being produced by a US company, which is what I assume, it will probably be on a decommissioned oil rig in the Gulf of Mexico. There are plenty of them out there, just waiting to be picked up cheaply.
     
    http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/lifestyle/content/mar2009/bw20090310_928043.htm
    http://midwestoilgas.com/JACKUP%20RIG/Jackup-109.htm
    http://midwestoilgas.com/JACKUP%20RIG/Jackup-107.htm
     
    From a huge field of candidates they’ll have their psychologists, behaviorists, producers, and lawyers pick a group of 20 or so contestants that all have the maximum chance for conflict and drama, stick them on a rig with cameras everywhere, and sit back and watch the fireworks. And they’ll push the seasteading theme over-and-over…cementing the belief that seasteaders are all crazy…

    #25769
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    in fact my investors do…they think i have enough credibility… and they give me 3 digit sums to do more of it…
     
    I don’t believe you.
     
    On the internet everyone has a supermodel for a girlfriend, a mansion, and a sports car in the garage. Show me links to information, or it’s all vaporware…
     
    I understand that you will not want to join my investor consortium
     
    How do you know? I might just be sitting on between US$10k to US$20k that I could be looking to invest…bonus at work should be good this year. But I sure as hell am not going to wire you any money based off the information you’ve presented here or on your other site. All I’ve seen are pretty computer generated pictures pulled from other websites, a lot of talk, and some stuff built 10-20 years ago that may or may-not still exist.
     
    In my opinion pretty much everything I’ve seen from you is as much “salon talk” as anything spark has posted…

    #25760
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    Still curious what will the show brings.
     
    It is a reality show, so you can bet it will not be a serious look at seasteading…any more than “Utopia” was a serious look at building a utopia or “Survivor” is a serious look at surviving on a deserted island.
     
    These shows are designed solely to create inter-personal drama and conflict, because most people are idiots and they want to watch these conflicts so they can feel better about their own pitiful lives.
     
    The fact that Kim Kardashian probably made almost US$100M from a stupid iPhone app last year should make us all weep for the state of humanity…
     
    And calling these shows “unscripted” is a lie. The shows are edited to enhance the conflicts and drama, and the producers constantly interfere with the participants to make things more lively and entertaining. I can see nothing at all good coming out of this endeavor…

    #25758
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    who is serving up the USD 50 million that such a series costs ?
     
    Investors who expect to make more than that from advertising revenue, as well as other income streams.
     
    The new model is to offer basic access to programming for free, and then charge for advanced features. That is what they did for the U.S. version of “Utopia”. You could watch the show on regular broadcasts for free, or you could subscribe to their show and get 24/7 live access to hundreds of cameras placed all over the “set”. You could watch and listen to the people whenever you wanted.
     
    You could also purchase show-related items in their store, which was another revenue stream.
     
    The generations-old model of just selling ads during commercial breaks is getting old. Content creators are using plenty of new ways to get the cash.
     
    And it’s pretty funny that they can get fifty million dollars to make a reality show around seasteading, but we can’t get jack shit towards building an actual seastead or a marine business in the Bay of Cartagena. I’d laugh my ass off if it wasn’t so depressing…

    #25757
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    a “real investor” would return my argument with a short line “give me an account to wire a first budget release of USD 100.000 – waiting for your project progress fotos documenting the conversion into floating real estate worth USD 10 million …”
     
    Are you insane? All you’ve said is that you can build 1 square meter per day of floating real estate for US$166 and that you can sell that floating real estate for US$17000. You have no proof, no market, no business plan, and you base your numbers off of land prices.
     
    And for that you expect someone to wire you US$100000!!!!
     
    I’m sorry, nobody is giving you $100k for that.
     
    Hey, any investors reading this thread, don’t listen to ellmer. I can build 2 square meters a day for US$100 and you can sell it in the Bay of Cartagena for US$17000. I will only respond to “real investors” who will wire me money right now…

    #25756
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    i am beyond seasteading phase1
     
    Huh? You mean that one submarine you built? Or do you mean that little floating cup? I don’t see any evidence of a “small structure that makes a big point”…

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    #25738
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    It looks like “Shreddy’s La La Land” might actually become a thing…

    http://www.seasteading.org/forum-list/topic/seasteading-tv-show/

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