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  • you go….where?....where you are still welcome…in worst case- the high seas…
     
    That’s assuming you can find any other place where you would be welcome. And if you can’t get an agreement in place before the Colombian police kick you out? So now you have a baystead floating on the high seas, where it was not designed to survive. Nope, not gonna happen.

  • no nation has “autonomy” to host another nations terrorists.
     
    Okay, I’ll give you that. Using FARC wasn’t the best example. I still maintain my point, that a baystead would lack the autonomy required to create a honest-to-goodness new state, and I have my doubts that a secular society like I outlined would be allowed to exist even in Cartagena…[Read more]

  • if you are mobile to a certain degree no conflict with the host nation is really a problem – you leave as friend … based on a “go seperate ways agreement”.
     
    And you go….where?

  • LOL, Smith. You must have attended Catholic school,…
     
    Yep, but my atheism began long before that…probably about when I began using my brain… ZING!!!

  • In short all above mentioned are a YES
     
    I don’t care what you say, there is no way President Santos allows a baystead ruled by Sharia law to stone a man to death in Cartagena Bay.
     
    only guerilla training seastead is an ABSOLUTE NO for obvious reasons.
     
    Then you do not have “full autonomy” or “de facto sovereignty”.

  • I hear a lot of the “experimenting with new forms of government and society” included in the seasteads definition, but to this date, nobody spelled a word of what they want to experiment with…
     
    This thread is for defining seasteads, not for what we plan to do on them, so I didn’t want to go too off-topic. But to answer your question, and since…[Read more]

  • the only “limit to the achievable freedom” is the “CONVENIENCE for Colombia”.
     
    And that’s the other problem. You build a baystead, and start enjoying your “achievable freedom”. But what happens when someone in power suddenly decides you are no longer the “CONVENIENCE for Colombia”? Do you really think that investors in a marine business want…[Read more]

  • The grade of freedom achievable for a baystead within the territorial waters of a “host nation” is not a fixed parameter it depends very much on the cultural background of the host nation.
     
    I would agree with that. You will get away with a lot more in Cartagena Bay than in San Francisco Bay. That makes perfect sense, since some host nations are…[Read more]

  • But I guess such “arrangement” won’t be good enough for Smith :)
     
    For a marine business or seastead, sure. For an independant sovereign ocean state? No, that is not good enough.
     
    de facto he had absolute “autonomy” over his cay and the surrounding waters.
     
    No, he didn’t. He absolutely couldn’t do whatever he wanted, which is what “autonomy”…[Read more]

  • 1; Stationary or movable platform, or ship, within 3 miles offshore.
     
    A seastead, as defined as a homestead on the sea, can be any distance from land. That doesn’t matter. All you need is to be in one permanent location, and to work the “land”. There is no requirement for autonomy or sovereignty for a seastead, just as there is no requirement…[Read more]

  • what you call it is your prerogative.
    Seasteading cannot be defined as a yes/no scenario. There must be levels
    I would not exclude anyone from the seasteading term.
     
    See, that’s where I have a problem. Something is either a seastead or it isn’t. The reason communities and larger societies can function is that they agree (mostly) upon a set of…[Read more]

  • I still don’t understand why the above 300′ m barge anchored (therefore secured) on the seamount of your choice won’t qualify…Mobility will just give you more options
     
    Because homesteads are not mobile, therefore seasteads shouldn’t be mobile. If after 15 years working a specific homestead a homesteader gets bored, they move on to a new…[Read more]

  • I’m not sure a special autonomous zone is entirely out of the question if you have that kind of multimillion investment behind you, particularly if the host nation needs the cash. There are precedents, like for example, the PRC proposed building a special manufacturing center in Ireland
     
    As I said above, a free trade zone is one thing. Complete…[Read more]

  • More or less, they are somehow equivalent. Not as “precise” as 2=2, there are certain grey areas,…
     
    I still don’t understand, but that’s fine. To me, “oceanic habitation” just means habitation on the ocean. Habitation is just “to live in a specific place” so “oceanic habitation” is just living on the water. That could be anything, a sailboat…[Read more]

  • In fact i did consult the Colombian government, if that grade of freedom is feasible for a floating installion of half a mile of length – and on contrary to what some participants do postulate here (i don’t know on what base), the answer was – “of course” no problem,
     
    Sorry, but I call you out on that. I know that $167M may seem like a lot, but…[Read more]

  • In fact i did consult the Colombian government, if that grade of freedom is feasible for a floating installion of half a mile of length – and on contrary to what some participants do postulate here (i don’t know on what base), the answer was – “of course” no problem,
     
    Sorry, but I call you out on that. I know that $167M may seem like a lot, but…[Read more]

  • Yes, it is JW the fantasy fiction writer. Smith I apologize, but sometimes it is just too hard to tell.
     
    I am no writer, although I have tried poems:
     
    There once was a person named spark
    Whose seastead ideas were a lark
    He wouldn’t use rocks
    He wanted cinder blocks
    Let’s hope he doesn’t meet any sharks

  • I gave my own definition in the beginning of this thread:
     
    I thought that was your definition of “Oceanic habitation”? So in your opinion “seasteading” = “oceanic habitation”?
     
    So any form of habitation on the ocean is a seastead? Like a sailboat or a cruise ship? That confuses me. If seasteading is homesteading on the sea, and homesteads…[Read more]

  • @i_is_j: Well sure, if you have the cash you could build a colony on mars :p The problem is that most people don’t have a few million lying around.
     
    Yes but there are a few people who do have a few million lying around. And if they were truly passionate about creating real sea cities…sovereign states on the ocean free from outside influence…[Read more]

  • Smith, what the hell is wrong with you and your multi-billion dollar seastead fixation? Stop being a cry baby because a billionaire didn’t built the seastead of your dreams and rolled the red carpet just for you,
     
    No tears here, just the facts. I don’t want a billionaire to build my seastead…I want to become a billionaire and build it myself. …[Read more]

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