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  • #20928
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    $1600 per employee is the average price, and will be likely for a single cabin. Office space is included.

    Rent will start at $1200/person/month for a shared cabin.

    For more information, please see http://blueseed.co/faq

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    i_is_j_smith wrote:
    And it’s not like you need a ton of startup money to test. You can get a Ubiquiti Network’s Rocket M5 GPS for $250 and a Rocketdish 5G-34 for $360. So for ~$1200 you have everything you need to start testing. First, see if you can get a 12nm link from two land-based locations. See how hard that is to do. From what I’ve read so far about these MIMO systems they are very easy to setup, but incredibly difficult to get perfect. They seem to try very hard to make it as easy as possible, though. The software that comes with these Rocket systems in pretty neat, but it’s still aiming two dishes at each other over a very long distance.

    There’s a system that does automatic antenna aiming – BATS Wireless. Cost is around $50K per unit and we’d need two, so we need to make sure that’s worth it vs. just conducting an initial antenna aim and letting the RF cone cover drifting and bobbing up and down.

    How would bandwidth vary with antenna alignment, is an interesting question.

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    i_is_j_smith wrote:

    And it’s not like you need a ton of startup money to test. You can get a Ubiquiti Network’s Rocket M5 GPS for $250 and a Rocketdish 5G-34 for $360. So for ~$1200 you have everything you need to start testing. First, see if you can get a 12nm link from two land-based locations. See how hard that is to do. [...] Once you have done a land link you can start water testing.

    Doing a land test first is a good idea, and water tests will follow – either ad-hoc or within the contest of an event we’re thinking of organizing next year.

    Startup Weekend is a global network of entrepreneurs who organize startup bootstrapping events all over the world. We’d like to run a Startup Weekend event on the water, with about 150 people, maybe even in the 12-mile spot, but for a start, the ship could be closer to shore, since this wouldn’t entail wage earning, and most of the attendance would have the right to work in the US. This would be great PR-wise among our target customers, but we need to find a cost-effective ship to house people for 3 days.

    i_is_j_smith wrote:
    So you see, I really don’t understand why you have to get a ton of initial funding before you start testing this mission-critical component. If you don’t have a few thousand dollars of seed money you can put into getting some equipment and at least doing an overland test then Blueseed isn’t going anywhere.

    Initially we were considering a laser solution provided by AOptix. The upfront cost was very large though (around $350K), so funding became priority #1. The Ubiquity Network solution is something we discovered very recently (as you’ve seen, there are LOTS of wireless solutions), and now that we know about it, we’re indeed looking into doing a test by placing a transmited on a lighthouse in Half Moon Bay (Point Montara). That requires establishing a relationship with the local key players, which we’re working on.

    i_is_j_smith wrote:
    I’d still rather use an underwater cable. Don’t think that ever going to happen, though. That’s where I’d really love to spend some research dollars, though…investigating the legal issues of installing underwater cables in the various zones (territorial, contiguous, EEZ). Even if you could do an underwater cable all the way in, and just do a wireless for the last 12nm, it would be a huge advantage to doing a 300nm wireless signal with multiple hops.

    A cable would be great, especially if we can run a power cable along. But the Half Moon Bay area is part of the Monterey Sanctuary, and we do need to research all the legal issues. So far, estimates put the price at $1M.

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    Hey guys,

    Sorry for not jumping in. What’s most critical right now for us, and is taking a lot of time, is to get more funding, which we just did – Thiel has signed up last night.

    As for the Internet access, it’s the sort of problem that we know is a technical, rather than an existential obstacle, and we chose to focus our attention on that once we get funded. For now, what we have in mind is a solution powered by the Rocket M5 GPS radio and the RocketDish 34dbi antenna (3 deg by 3 deg cone).

    i_j_smith – we’ll certainly look at your research. We just haven’t had the time to do so yet. We’ll also contribute back a lot of our findings to the larger seasteading community.

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    realpra wrote:
    I doubt that’ll be enough you see, we need an income source out there, not just a bunch of poor people looking for cheap condos.

    Exactly. Seasteads should be economically viable. So far the most promising business model, from the Sink or Swim contest, is using jurisdictional arbitrage to provide competitively priced and accessible IT services, and is being implemented by Blueseed.

    #15645
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    A trial seastead is certainly a good idea; however, building it on land will miss many of the specific issues that will be encountered on the ocean.

    Probably the most realistic way to go about testing a mock seastead is to live on a real shipstead, like Blueseed.

    #15644
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    For those who want to learn more, the homepage of the project is http://www.shell.com/home/content/aboutshell/our_strategy/major_projects_2/prelude_flng/ and here is a 1m42s video animation.

    With a permanent crew of 110, the Floating LNG would qualify as the first shipstead. However, the vessel won’t be launched until 2017, so the first shipstead will probably stil be Blueseed.

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