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November 8, 2011 at 9:06 pm #16262Chucker wrote:
Hydroponics grow inside. I would not grow food exposed to the sun at sea due to the need for more fresh water due to evaporation. I will be starting a farming thread soon. So I will use that thread to show what can be done easily inside. Remember some of here have families so more sq ft is need for the “rug rats”. Not sure how this thread got off the topic but seems to happen alot here.
I’ve got some ideas on the farming thread when you start it. But we americans are spoiled rotten.
‘Lead, Follow, or get out of my way.’ -UnknownNovember 8, 2011 at 5:09 pm #16247
BTW, I don’t know much about you’re seemingly extravagant american living conditions.
washer/dryer you people are rich, seriously does it rain money there?
You see why I’m against the Occupy movement in the US? We ARE rich. Compared to any other country in the world americans live extravagantly. We have more room per person, more money per person, more toys per person. Do you understand now why I can not in sound mind support any Occupy movement designed to harm people for their good fortune or hard work. The amount of ‘poor’ in america is so tiny to be amazing!
‘Lead, Follow, or get out of my way.’ -UnknownNovember 8, 2011 at 3:09 pm #16243shredder7753 wrote:
200 sq ft? a seastead is a place to freekin live permanently!! not a 5 day vacation, not even a 4-year spurt and then go back to ur parents house. poymanent!
“Leadership and do-ership are not the same thing”
I had much less than that in the army. It’s doable. Just not preferable.
NOW, I’m not saying I’d live on that crowded barge, but certainly won’t argue it is very liveable if neccessity demanded. I’d say that it might be a good idea to create an ‘escape barge’ of some sort for seasteads. One large boat with crowded quarters for emergencies. I’d say 50SQFT a person or less. (You could easily fit two people in 50 SQFT if you have bunk beds.
‘Lead, Follow, or get out of my way.’ -UnknownNovember 8, 2011 at 12:16 am #16233
Don’t get me wrong, it wouldn’t last. No room for economy, but it would work on a housing boat purhaps for worker quarters if you need such a thing. Just saying you could house people in that space and provide for them. Just not give them anything productive to do. I’ve done worse than dorms, barracks. Smaller, tighter, smellier. All togeather worse, you can certainly survive with little space. In iraq I had probably 15-20 SQFT of room to myself. It’s doable.
‘Lead, Follow, or get out of my way.’ -UnknownNovember 7, 2011 at 9:24 pm #16224
Because it ain’t gonna be no 200 sq.ft. left of it! Because, (why do I have to repeat myself?) that’s ALL the space on that seastead! There is room for NOTHING else!
Where you gonna put tanks for tons of fuel? water? engine(s)? generator(s)? AC units? all the piping? gangways? kitchen(s)? food storage? public spaces? trash incinerators? holding tanks? a school? medical facility? etc. All those will take @ least 4 decks space in order to supply 1000 people. You’re left with 120 sq.ft./person. That’s 11′x11′. They’ll have to live for ever on that space? Unless everibody’s on valium, it’s not going to work, socialy. Too tight.
You had to repeat yourself because your math isn’t adding up. YOu said the ship would have 200 SQFT per person.. .right? I said you could cut that down and have people use 150 SQ FT per person. that’ll give you 50SQFT per person room for everything else. I posted a video of a guy living in 89 SQFT and that includes kitchen, shower, bed. SO 50SQFT per person leaves you 50K SQFT for storage, water treatment, sewage, schools, medical, ect, ect ect. Now I’ll admit it’s tight, but with outside food source availible to restock often it’s do able. 100 SQFT per person is livable. Definitly not comforable but if you want to argue I’d say that’s doable. With or without valium. Everyone would get their own little house like that guy has. Own kitchen, own bedroom, own shower. Plenty of room to yourself not to have to have valium. That’s not factoring family living that lets say 4 People would be given 400 SQFT. since parents share a room you’ll have a bigger living area than just four people’s cimbined because you save the room from the fourth room.
‘Lead, Follow, or get out of my way.’ -UnknownNovember 7, 2011 at 8:36 pm #16220
to have 1000 people on a 200′ LOA seastead!
Assuming such seastead as “barge like”, 200′x100′=20,000.00 sq.ft
Assuming 10 decks you’ll have 20,000.00×10=200,000.00 sq.ft
Divided by 1000=200 sq.ft/person living space with no room for NOTHING ELSE on that seastead.
We are talking people here, not sardines. Please, Elspru, a little common sense, dude.
200SQFT of living space is big. You sould easily get 100sqft per person would be a small room for each person to live in. So i’d say take it to 150 SQ FT per person. Leaves you with lots of extra room. Now if you factor in families, make 100SQFT rooms for everyone, one will be sleeping TWO per room. That’s plenty of sleeping room for two. The extra 50 would be good for a small kitchenette. Now if some of the families are sleeping two to a room, two boys can sleep in a room togeather with a bunk bed, the two parents, that frees up alot more room, those families would have 400 sqft to play with if going with the small rooms. (150*4=600-200=400)
I’m an american so it seems small, but that is more than decent in many contries.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbRvsWuWNUM guy’s less than 100sqft house.
‘Lead, Follow, or get out of my way.’ -UnknownNovember 6, 2011 at 6:38 pm #16198
i can see where you’re headed… BUT I still think that Water, power, shouldn’t be part of the ‘tax’, They should be privately run so if a seasteader doesn’t use it, he doesn’t pay for it. Since many sea steadersare libertarians, many would want to live off the grid even the sea stead grid.
If you allow a ‘generator stead’ and a ‘water stead’ to offer services like that you’ll help the local economy by having that many more bussinessses and not take away the ability for anyone to not pay for those. As for a disability fund… i’d DONATE to one, and set up my own but i would be against it being manditory. (LOL As for foreign aid… the US gives it to pretty much every third world contry, and half of it ends up in the hands of dictators that never use it to help the people)
‘Lead, Follow, or get out of my way.’ -UnknownNovember 6, 2011 at 2:56 pm #16196
Early on today, met with the demands commitee, they were talking about progressive taxation.
I suggested that we make it so people only pay for the services they wish,
I honestly don’t know of a country that has a flat tax not progressive taxation.
As for paying for the services they wish… I might actually be able to live in your seastead. Services… Police, fire, public space maintance, schools, and that’s it. I’d be paying next to nothing in taxes here in the US. No SS, no Forein aid (I give myself the government doesn’t have to give for me), no WF. I’d love to be able to opt out of so many services.
‘Lead, Follow, or get out of my way.’ -UnknownNovember 5, 2011 at 8:46 pm #16179
Both groups handle riots and civil discord. Both groups know that for that cop to have left his station and gone forward would ahve put him in unessisary danger and then his fellow officers as things could have spiralled out of control. The situation presented a no win opption. Act cold and do your job. Don’t do your job and possibly make matters worse but at least noone will accuse you of being heartless.
But isn’t disagreements like this part of the Seasteading movement?? To each their own?
Edit: As for bush, he was no worse than obama, who was no worse tha clinton, who was no worse than bush one. We’ve had a long string of bad leaders, athoritairans who have been taking control from the american people.
‘Lead, Follow, or get out of my way.’ -UnknownNovember 5, 2011 at 6:41 pm #16176
Only 1% arrested because they didn’t have the police force to handle every person who broke the law that night. I’ve seen OCCUPY supporters talking about how the movement is now 50% anarcists, extrreamists and other negetive elements. Their where hundreds involved in the oakland incident. Now you want me to get into the OCCUPY movement, and how they are telling people that they shouldn’t report rapes? I watched an occupy member on TV who was sexually hurrased, talk about how ‘their couldn’t be rapes here’. if you want to start trading tapes we could be here all day. The police on a WHOLE in the US have been handleing this amazingly. As for the ‘crack down’ you’re saying happened the police got a report that a large group (A few hundred) had decided to burn down some building, they show up and catch it happening, one of the 50% people who are peaceful reported the other 50%. That’s the ‘crack down’ you’re talking about, now their doing a real crack down to protect the people. What about the shop owner who had to stand outside his store with a shotgun to protect it? The other shop owners who have had to fire people to stay in bussiness because peopel are to scared to come near the movement? Don’t even get me started on the 1%+ of the movement who are slinging around ‘kick the jews out’ statments. The Occupy movement started great and has now disintergrated into mobs in all the major cities. Now I will add that the smaller city movements, Huntsville, Syracuse, ect have been great. But the movements like Boston SHUTING DOWN THE DOCKS! how is that supposed to help americans? That’s hurting the economy and the very people they where their to help.
Now all that said, I believe their are elements in the group snuck in my others to distroy it from the inside out. But I believe that they are doing it by organizing the more violent members. Heck I watched a homeless man complaining at some tents that he didn’t have one, he had to sleep int he cold… an occupy member came out and started pushing him around, and the occupy ‘security’ ‘excorted’ him out. The parks where the homeless home before the Occupy got their. How about them claiming that they are on ‘public land’ and how they have a right to be their and 75% of the locations they are at are not public property but privatly owned. They have no right to squat on private property. Every day the movement gets more violent, less intelligent, and an embarassment to the US.
But to each their own oppinion right Ocean? I just can’t trust a movement that is near a mirror pre-WWII germany. Pro-union, anti-capitalism, anti-rich… and slowly becoming more and more anti-jew. Populous movements are very very very dangerous. They should not be done the way Occupy is. They should be done like the Tea Party (Who i’m not a part of or agree with completely.. they just do it much more peaceably).
‘Lead, Follow, or get out of my way.’ -Unknown
PS: Watched that video, what they don’t tell you is that for a cop to have hoped that WITH the group their and provide first aid that they are TRAINED to do, would have meant likely more violence as the mob would have assumed that the man was being arrested. Now you also forget that when cops do those things they have ambulances READY. As for the video claiming the police where shooting them int eh face with flash on purpose… look CLOSER at the video, the greanade was LOBBED into the group, the injurey came before that and was likely from a stampeed of people knocking someone down. Their are always two sides to each story. You NEVER break to help people while their is still things going on, as an ex-soldier I understand that.November 5, 2011 at 4:23 pm #16173
Everybody is so kind, and friendly, it’s truly one of the best experiences ever.
Yeah, that’s NOT the american Movement. We’ve got rape, sexual assault, the organizers begging the victims to ‘not report it’ because they don’t want to look bad. Violence, nastyness, The ONE city that tried to have a hands off approach… Oakland, ended up with riots, violence, and having to be more controlling to settle them down. Now don’t get me wrong, the banks have been greedy, but OUR occupiers are wrong, as wrong as the banks.
if they have to abide by an outside groups laws, then they are merely an enclave.
of course they’d have to be responsible to their neighbours and sufficiently beneficial to creation.
However they should be able to make their own laws within their community/society,
That’s exactly my point. They could have their own little society in my society, and they could make their own laws and such, as long as the group agrees to abide those laws, and they break none of the big comunity laws.
bears are still top-predators. Bears have also been associated with Russian/soviet people, so in that sense I’m flattered, thanks :-).
Yes bears are an appex preditor. They are the top of the food chain… but they don’t prey on either the sheep or the wolvies. They only combate the wolves to keep them out of their bussiness. They only attack the sheep if they wonder into their area (Again protecting their area, not that they won’t eat a sheep ) Bears though don’t form groups, and don’t spasificlly target any groups like unless it’s self defence or depseration (they’ll hunt sheep if they are starving)
As for russia… I do not agree with most things the russian governments has done. BUT I base my defensive tactics heavily on russian influence. I’ve got to give the old bears credit for being tough bastards. I’ve got nothing aginst russian people though, or any people, just prefer having as little government over sight as possible and Russia would never be the place for me.
‘Lead, Follow, or get out of my way.’ -UnknownNovember 4, 2011 at 1:10 pm #16153
The shepherd drives the wolf from the sheep’s for which the sheep thanks the shepherd as his liberator, while the wolf denounces him for the same act as the destroyer of liberty. Plainly, the sheep and the wolf are not agreed upon a definition of liberty.
This is a great example of how libertarian societies fit ALL. A athoritarian group CAN form a miniature Athroitarian group in the libertarain society, they are free to go and do it as long as they do not break any of the laws. (Which would be minimalist) BUT if you have an athoritarian group you can not provide for the Libertarians. Now I’d say you have three types of people. Sheep (OWS), Wolves (WS), and Bears (libertarians). The wolves and sheep are groop animals. The difference is the wolves believe that sheep should be prayed on when they can be, sheep believe that everything should be given to them by those same wolves. Bears are partially solitary animals though they can be sociable,and pretty much do their own thing, ,protect their own, and leave others alone. I’d rather be in a society run by bears than any other one.
‘Lead, Follow, or get out of my way.’ -UnknownNovember 3, 2011 at 1:52 pm #16147
You may all be giving others advice on thsi form, and helping each other, create their image of the future… BUT you are competitors. Look at coputers, robotics, cars. While one company will create something, the others will soon follow after. They may share informaiton but they are still compeating. This compitition is more a race than a duel. (Like early computers) you are all racing to be the first to offer this product, if that one succeeds then investors will quickly jump on with the others and help you all too. It’s how compitition works… BUT the first one done will likely be the most famous, the best sold, and the one with the most free advertizment. That boost though won’t last forever and the others will likely catch up. Seasteads could be shipped and will be, so you SHOULD all think about how your steads will link with others.
‘Lead, Follow, or get out of my way.’ -UnknownNovember 3, 2011 at 4:42 am #16143shredder7753 wrote:
IM MAKING AN OPEN CALL RIGHT NOW IF ANYONE HAS A REQUEST OR SUGGESTION FOR WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE ON THIS MODEL, SPEAK SOON OR FOREVER HOLD UR PIECE!
A million dollar check made out to me, to be shipped after the successful sailing? (JK)
I’ve got nothin.
‘Lead, Follow, or get out of my way.’ -UnknownNovember 2, 2011 at 1:02 pm #16127Kaseijin wrote:
Not sure we’d go with trees but their’d be room, and it wouldn’t be allowed to grow to big in any case
Remember that roots can break concrete.
You neglect a baobab when it’s little, and you may find yourself homeless.
But alot of trees have really shallow root systems. But I’d agree for the most part. I’d rather raise food myself with a small patch of ‘yard’.
good news being once ou get ride of all the weeds you’ll never see them again.
‘Lead, Follow, or get out of my way.’ -Unknown