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  • #22499
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    http://www.greenpeace.org/new-zealand/en/about/history/how-we-saved-antarctica/

    There’s already precedent for setting up a base outside the control of existing states. So, you could set up there. Just be careful that you don’t destroy the place you’re in…

    #16895
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    Baked – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_Dependency_of_Forvik

    The question is, how much “illegal activity” would the nominal owning country tolerate? Sealand seems to get away with a lot, but if they threatened UK economic interests, that place would be boarded and torn down in short order.

    Rockall, Hasslewood, and the surrounding skerries are looking quite interesting. As long as the colony doesn’t start mining oil, or taking too much fish, they’ll probably be left alone. It’s only about 750 sq.m. though, so you wouldn’t be able to be self sufficient in land crops. But perhaps it will be possible to spread nets to grow sea crops on, massively expanding your food supply? Almost certainly though, you’d be able to buy food from the mainland with little problems (save for the ~200 mile round trip). Best to buy from one of the claiments, since then you don’t have to mess around with customs (from their perspective, you’re still pottering around in their waters). Still the need to find a source of money. Unfortunately, the very actions required to colonise Rockall would make it much more valuable, since it would be proven able to sustain economic activity and human habitation, and thus would be able to claim a 200nm EEZ, so the macronations would take a lot more notice.

    But that’s mine, waiting on me building a boat capable of making the trip, so don’t you guys go colonising it…

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    #16073
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    Mmmm, tastes like crunchy granola…

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    #16072
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    There is some sense to the idea that in the first three cases, no one created these things so why should anyone own them, as Shredder suggests.

    Exactly. No-one created them, so why should a body claiming to be the “government” be allowed to steal them?

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    #14576
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    I reckon I could live with my cousins without killing them… I can tolerate my brother… :)

    Who said it would be small? It’s going to have to be big enough to support several dozen people… it’s not going to be cramped, overwise what’s the point?

    As for having to go out of the community to find a spouse, that’s only true if you can’t get over the feeling of squick that comes from marrying your (3rd) cousin, even though there’s no problems with inbreeding (if they’re closer than 3rd, though, you do get problems – purely out of interest, I looked into it). Though, there’ll be plenty of opportunities to meet new people, I’d imagine, especially if you’re going to university (which raises a point about formal qualifications on a seastead…). Even if you don’t, I’m sure there’ll be seasteading get togethers with other clans…

    With nomadic seastead tribes, that’s less of an issue, since there’s going to be plenty of trading going on between the seasteads.

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    #14570
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    You don’t need millions of tons per year to get started, you need thousands at most. Once you’ve got a source of fuel and propellent up there, you’ve cut down on your payload requirements massively. Don’t believe me? Ask the United Launch Alliance (Lockheed and Boeing) – http://www.ulalaunch.com/site/docs/publications/AffordableExplorationArchitecture2009.pdf

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    #14566
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    Kevlar is strong enough, as are Basalt fibers… the advantage with Basalt is that it can be mined and refined very easily on Luna; it may well be one of the first exports after fuel.

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    #14562
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    The hypersaline solution that we get from desalinising water could be great for concentrating solutions, such as juice, I suppose. All you need for that is a semi-permeable bag to put the juice in, and let osmosis do the rest… it could also be used as a disinfectant. That, along with salt, is going to be a byproduct of normal activity on a seastead.

    Calcium Carbonate is used in the production of cement, I believe? Possibly, then, we can use it to produce more seasteads or boats at sea, if we have the room. Also, it can be used for the production of limewater, which may find some use in rebreathers for diving…

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    #14552
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    might sound like a downer, but to make a community at sea that is larger then one family you will have to have investments from many families or bussinesses to make a go of it. As we are talking not a small outlay of captial, and thus you will need some sort of law enforcement/rules or there is no way you will get enough investment to carry this out. even if the rules are very basic that just reaffirms property rights.

    Hmmm, I do wonder if people on these forums, when they think of single family seasteads, are assuming that “family” means “nuclear family”. I see no reason why an extended family – greatgrandpa, his siblings, and all their descendents – couldn’t set up a seastead, which would technically be a single family seastead, though it could have several dozen people living there….

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    #14551
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    It doesn’t have the power of 5000 suns. What it has is 5000x the intensity. Depending on the overall efficiency of the system (how much solar power is collected, what the efficiency of the boiler is etc), it may just make more sense to use solar panels which take up the same area. Which don’t have moving parts or scalding hot steam.

    A version which focuses energy to maybe 2 or 3 times the intensity could maybe be used to heat water above boiling, for desalinisation, washing etc. Being able to melt Iron, though, isn’t needed for those applications…

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    #14525
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    Sealand is onloy a special case because it was built by the government and then abandoned, making it possible. If another country did the same, it could be duplicated…

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    #14386
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    Only 10km long, and you expect to sustain a population of 10 million in comfort? You have less than 10,000 hectars to use for agriculture…

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    #14368
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    I don’t care if it can also be extremly profitable as well.

    You own what you build, simple as. On Luna, you only hold the land you’re using. That’s how it’s going to work out in practice, I imagine.

    So, at the moment, no-one “owns the moon”.

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    #14367
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    How do you intend to use it as a weapon? Unless you can change the focus of the dish, you can’t alter the point of maximum intensity, and since it has to be aligned with the sun, you’re very very restricted in where the dish can be pointed. It makes a lousy weapon system. If you have a steam turbine, though, you can use it for electricity generation.

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    #14359
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    You still need the same area, though. That it has to be lined up with the sun counts against it, since you have to track the sun to actually get some energy.

    For starting fires we have lighters, for weapons we have AK-47’s, for melting metals we have methane. I can’t see a future for concentrated solar thermal on seasteads…

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