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  • #14006
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    @i_is_j_smith,

    ‘Nice’ to greet u too. Is that IM Weasel or IR Baboon I am talking to? Sounds like another “total anarchy except for the things that I don’t like” concept. Can’t have it both ways.

    Its a SUGGESTION or a THOUGHTS ON intended for consensus. And the less density the better of course. More dishonest ‘forumming’? Well couldn’t be bothered about it already. Lots of LS agent types or grandstanders herabouts lol.

    I think 20km spaces between SSers (series of ‘pillars’) could be considered as well. Maybe joined by floating bicycle paths made of pontoons too? Lots of fun !

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    Try the last 1 or 2 pages @GenSeneca : Tell me what you think of the 30K solution? It’s basically a oil rig with an extended series of stabilising fero-coated pontoons. Feedback?

    http://seasteading.org/interact/forums/engineering/structure-designs/modular-island-design

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    #13985
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    Et tu Brute? Maybe you’re used to be accorded lots of respect IRL but here you’ll be another faceless figure to be treated as an equal who has contributed nothing.

    Sorry if you can’t deal with that if so, and if thats not the issue, I’m willing to ‘call a truce’ (is one needed even? but someone has to be the adult . . . bla bla bla so we’re cool ok? No? Well take your time dude . . . ) with anyone who can deal with it or list a forum worthy bedside manner they prefer.

    ” your obviously right and rational views ” . . . very funny. If they’re so wrong say how they’re wrong, don’t use this psychological blackmail format whatever.

    Typical, but maybe we begin to see how society holds itself back when people insist on miscommunicating or insist others are doing the miscommunicating. What are you simulating? Vietnam in the South China Sea? (don’t take the abyss/Cthulu reference too badly, I’m sure lots of people love Concrete Underwater Tombs . . . I mean subs ;) )

    Ah damn. Mustv been rubbing em up the wrong way? Well if they say how or where I went wrong, GOOD, if not, nothing I can do. Here kitty kitty . . .

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    #13978
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    @xns

    . . . aragonite(calcerous beach sand) . . . that wouldn’t be the sand reported as stolen from Malaysia’s beaches or quarries now would it (lol / jk???)

    I can sell you 1557 (4048.2m2 or slightly more than 1 acre) hexatoons for S$467,100. Not including shipping though. That works out to S$10.72 per square foot.

    Or around USD$100 per metre? Overpriced. You’re not viable as a supplier of that platform thing yet ! I could buy a fleet of 10 42ft ships or build a free floating series of ‘kelongs’ with 4671 at 1072. . . (damn more numerology?!?)

    I think I’ll start looking around myself for floating ferrocement cells with plastic cores in India or China. The cells themselves can be further stabilised with bamboo pole grids. Any manufacturers with the prices can msg me with their details.

    Waste Bottles stacked in 1 sq metre cell = USD$0.20 cents
    1 cm coat of Ferro-cement for 1 sq m = USD$1.00

    That would be 4048 x USD$1.2 = 4857.6 per acre

    . . . the only thing to do is to seek out a manufacturer then hire a boat to take the material to a suitable location.

    How much does it cost to install an oil rig style leg or few? (this is for the Atoll base) . . .

    I have a feeling that there will be 2 kinds of SSes. The expensive and weird (TSI – Concrete-Nautili) and the simple (floating and Joe Public worthy ferro-clad plastic waste made in India or China) . . . also it looks like the floundering will continue hereabouts.

    RECIPE for Seasteader’s Budget Seastead Method :

    Pile oil rig type ‘leg’ base for Atoll (or transplant used one?) – 20K?
    Extend a solid platform, several far as possible from base. – 5K?
    Tether the floating ferro-cement cells. – 4857.6 per acre
    Pile on the soil. – 5K
    Plant the shallow root system shrubs/trees, mangrove edges. 500
    Seed the hardier species of hard corals. 500
    Place the zinc siding / used pipe geodesic domes on platforms 500
    Play Rip Van Winkle (go about own business) OR; 0.00
    Return in a few years or prepare supplies. 5K

    Heres the rough look pic of the above.
    http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/232/ssrecipegraphic.jpg/

    Total USD$36357.6 or cheaper if my estimates for the 20K rig worthy concrete pillar is cheaper. Any rebuts on how it will fail or denunciations welcome. This is 9.6 times cheaper than what @xns has offered and has a stable central pillar going all the way down to the ocean floor to cling to !

    If enough people do the above and not too far from each other, a Seastead of a string of Atolls forms, though life will be that of barnacles clinging to bollards for the first few years while the ferro-platform stabilizes land with the mangroves and corals.

    The weight capacity for building structures upon the ‘land’ will not be very high but at least some crops could be grown. Further expansions to allow for heavy weight building could be done on rig ‘legs’ joined up with gantries and platforms which must be strong enough to hold a certain amount of soil. Perhaps the numer of atoll ‘pillars’ one owns could be a status symbol in the future though the less footprint one has the better obviously.

    For the adventurous, gantries extending from the pillar could be underwater, with platforms, so an underwater format could also be installed, maybe in a series of ever deeper gantries like steps going down into the abyss . . . (your Cthulic style @ellemer lol . . . )

    Nothing fancy to be sure but gets the job done, and cheaply. Waddya think readers?

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    #13977
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    @Ken Sims

    ” So just because you don’t happen to like someone else’s idea doesn’t make their idea wrong. ”

    Uh . . . I knew that ! Pfft . . . not a very honest way to carry a conversation. The post was intended for those not intent at sounding clever at another’s expense or concern and unaware of the manipulation via media or even NGOs or NGO seeming outfits. Maybe you posted at the wrong place and weren’t addressing me?

    @Ocean(O)polis

    Who’s dwelling in a mental institution? It’s seriously Federalistic and ‘sheeplising’ at a certain angle, whats so mental about the earlier analysis?

    Hey don’t turn my concern for NLP ‘creep’ into something else. Thats what self serving mainstream govts. of every era did, label the ‘dissenters’ insane while the insanity itself is what they are, meanwhile abuse via word of law, ignore spirit of law.

    What does Oceanopolis represent? Or are you some kinda advert person as well for the actual Oceanopolis if not some LS saboteur against the concept of SSing?

    http://www.brittanytourism.com/things-to-do/activities/family-fun/oceanopolis-brest

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    #13983
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    Let the readers judge then who is the mole. If this is some energy exchange thingy though, thanks for the stimulation, was entertaining. Now back to SSing or looking for fellow colonists that won’t guide conversations into this sort of mess . . .

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    #13973
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    @xns

    Looks almost workable. So where are you these days?

    But how about replacing that PVC with something organic like Tung Oil infused Jute for example? What are the costs of an acre of SS via platform by your estimates? The rest of the work or cost looks merely like just dumping enough non-pollutive junk or stone to form an atoll with. How much does a single ‘atoll/reef seeding pillar’ of ‘artificial bedrock’ cost? (Any landowner can and will need to contribute LOTS of soil later though to grow stuff on, so start acquiring some ‘soil banks’ SSers . . . )

    Some thoughts on prevention of overproliferation by humanity :

    1) There should be laws on spacing between artificial atolls btw, a kilometre maybe? Though like minded people might also choose to build nearer to each other.

    2) SSes also should not exceed 50sq kms without 50 sq kms of ocean immeidately after before then next 50 sq km bloc, or we would end up with no Seas by the time people move there.

    3) Sea Channels, current areas should be off limits. That cold/hot ‘conveyor belt’ current must not be tampered with or have any SSer built within it’s circulation areas.

    http://planetearth.nerc.ac.uk/images/uploaded/custom/sea-circulation-920×644.jpg

    4) A multi storey paradigm could occur but these must be 3 stories or 5 stories high between floors and 1 acre minimum ast least for self sufficiency purposes (this should be the future of LS paradigms actually). That could increase the cost of Atoll bases though. High density is ALWAYS pollutive so keep density low.

    5) Discharge of waste into oceans (as of now LSes do pollute their surround oceans) should not be allowed as well to retain the quality of water and foster sealife.

    Really like the part about the cement on tom then soil for plants (mangroves?). This should work! Keep us informed. This conglomeration of ideas looks good. And for manufacture, remember the Indians an Chinese. The last thing needed is geodesic domes which are cheaply made to be installed on ech of those ‘subsistence units’. If they can find jobs they can at least ghrow their own food. As technology increases efficiency and skills proliferate, it looks set to become a JOBLESS world and we need to allow people space to grow their own food at least.

    @Mellvar – but doesn’t that stuff grow at a rate of like fractions of an inch per year?

    If the structure lasts 10 years you’d have 10 inches of hard coral by then. The only thing is to get the central pilings for Atolls or multi storey SSes in.

    NO MORE TAXES ! No more red tape. No more threat of incarceration (enforcement) or murder (military) for victimless crimes like growing of organics or having non-mainstream political beliefs, and orientations. And self sufficiency, meaning FREE FOOD.

    SSing will be the new paradigm that will topple LSes and the bs of big government and big brother paradigms (an example is APPOINTED judiciaries which I believe makes up 70% of the world’s current LSes???) ! Damn I know some of you guys could set up a SS of this fgormat single handedly, why aren’t you doing it if not out of fear of your ‘masters’.

    The rich of today are ‘owned’ :D from the looks of it? Or can’t think for themselves anymore?

    @ellemer, hows that ferro-platform thing going? Is it still 3K? How much would 1 acre of ferro-platform cost in modular form as @xns suggested without Indian-Chinese manufacture costing figured in?

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    #13963
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    Don’t let Woolsworth sheepleise you! Hijacker of freedom alert !

    Hey there new readers,

    Here’s a post I made to better acquaint you with what I have in mind. Much healthier and more compact than the massively ‘Federal’ constitution being pushed here.

    http://seasteading.org/interact/forums/community/volunteering-opportunities/immediate-colony-put-money-where-mouth-is

    Woolsworth, dya mind if I re-posted my ‘study’ your Ocean Republic constitution again here? The unwary SSers would be overwhelmed by your NLPs in wiki format if they aren’t warned lol.

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    #13926
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    I have 30years of experience in making floating concrete shell structures – most of them submarines – but i already made a 8m catamaran concrete shell back in Austria, so i am quite good prepared for this.

    (Reply) Much respects to you! I wonder why you haven’t monopolized the ferro-cement-boat market yet? Please try to corner that though, most Joe Publics cannot conceive anything beyond 3-5K tops and the sasiling yatch thing has become far too luxury oriented for most of the population.)

    What i have in mind is a floating base in concrete shell technique about 9tons weight – 23 tons of displacement 54cm freeboard, 0,6m draft, 6m diameter – shape of a cup – 10cm wall thickness – undestructible maintenance free for 200 years lifespan – a pioneer can buy it at 3000USD (not 30.000) put a tent on it – and is ready for pioneering – we produce them in mass in a high tech shipyard but at a cost that is available for the poor.

    (Reply) Give the Indians and Chinese the schematics and you might get the prices down to 300USD, look at India’s Tata Nano Car or the Walmart Chinese goods phenomenon. Bet you that 3000USD premium could be lowered sunstantially. I include the below site and email address should you wish to get int touch with one of our more intrepid potential SSers Arthur Huang :

    Miniwiz Sustainable Energy Development Ltd.
    270 Zhongshiao E. Rd. Section 52F Suite 2
    Taipei 110, Taiwan.
    TEL: +886-2-8786-7675
    FAX: +886-2-2345-7215

    URL: http://www.hymini.com
    Contact Page with Emails -
    http://www.miniwiz.com/contact

    THE RELATED ARTICLE
    “100 percent trash boat” sets sail in Taiwan

    “ForEver”, a green vessel constructed entirely from recycled materials, sails after it maiden launch on World Oceans Day in Taipei June 8, 2011. REUTERS/Nicky Loh

    TAIPEI | Thu Jun 9, 2011 9:43am EDT

    (Reuters) – A boat built completely from plastic bottles and other recycled materials, including old advertising banners, set sail in Taiwan to raise awareness about the marine environment.

    The trimaran, named the “Polli-Boat,” had as its main flotation system a series of interlocking plastic bricks made from plastic bottles with strengthened polyethylene terephthalate (PET), the most common plastic in use today. The seven meter (23 feet) boat has a flotation pontoon made from the 804 plastic bricks whose hexagonal shape allows them to lock together, withstanding the pressure of sailing. Used advertising banners are the sails.

    “The concept of the Polli-Boat is using 100 percent trash,” said Arthur Huang, the founder and managing director of Miniwiz Sustainable Energy Development Ltd, which made the boat. “It’s being propelled only by renewable resources — obviously sailing, that’s using wind. The other is solar energy with six modules of soft solar panels.” Each panel is capable of generating 72 watts, which powers an electric motor that propels the boat when there is no wind. The boat set sail on Wednesday, World Ocean Day, in a ceremony accompanied by an eco-friendly creative boat competition held at the dock. It will tour around Taiwan for educational purposes. Sponsored by the National Geographic Channel in Taiwan, ten designs were selected out of nearly 200 entries to compete for the most innovative boat built from recycled materials.

    One boat was shaped like the endangered black-faced spoonbill to promote wetlands protection, while another was designed to look like a floating city to raise awareness of rising sea levels.
    (Reporting by Christine Lu, editing by Elaine Lies)

    hi @ellemer,

    If you put your ferro-cem platform expertise together with the cheap production capabilities of the Indians and Chinese, we’d all be free from VAT, GST, bad laws, bad constitutions, apartheid-discrimination, too many taxes, abusive governments, socialised oppression, collusion with GMO companies, polluting plastics etc.., big brother BS and everything bad abut LSes in a very short while.

    Tell us how your discussions with Arther go, I’ll be among the first to buy those 300USD 200 year worthy ferrocement platforms from you and Arther’s cooperative/co. (invite me to invest a bit, I really want to see an alterntive to LSes arise – if you guys can get the paperwork infra up for contributions, I’m in to whatevfer I can spare), to set up an Atoll with the rest of those who are tired or ROAD TAX, Toll Concession, GMO foods, apartheid laws and the rest of the rubbish, nepotism, oligarchy, LS govts are today.

    Hail the new architects of FREE living ! Outside the Cartagena EEZ perhaps? (Mexico is not so good cos of the hurricane zone issue . . . ) Keep us informed.

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    #13939
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    Everyone is his own enforcement. Just like in the wild west. I love the 2nd Amendment. Or perhaps there should also be 2nd Amendment disallowed sections of the SS that I will not bother with as well.

    It will be good to have voluntary and cost-free psyche tests (any Psyche degree holders wanna join up SSing?) to determine if one is disposed to indiscriminate killing or disrespect of other’s property or even inclined to turf gang/bullying behaviour as well.

    Games and reality are different things and we occasionally get :

    (1) those who cannot tell the difference and
    (2) those who insist that others cannot so they can impose all sorts of profiteering systems to benefit themselves
    (3) the extreme Taliban who impose morality laws and moriality police

    Keep it laissez faire as far as possible. If we get a Mad Max looking type person, it does not mean they are a psycho. If we get Mr.Whitebread looking person, it does not mean they are sane.

    A general convo or few will however determine who they are quite quickly though, barring having a resident Psychic or Psyche degree holder who both may not be all stable up there too.

    The undercurrent issue also counts, there may be things like ailments or who knows intentional saboteurs POSING as SSers who wish to discredit the concept of SSing by the hateful and jealous among Landstead governments.

    An open mind, and ‘areas’ for all types should typify a SS. Can’t impose enforcement or demand people accede to ‘authority’. ANYONE can group up and put on a uniform then demand people obey them ‘for their own good’ or ‘for stability’. This amounts to little more than gang colours and gang turfism. Sections of the SS that do not subscribe to ‘enforcers’ should be allowed to bar them from entering their area of the SS. In which case an entirely different SS would likely form away from the existing one.

    In the case of painstakingly established Atolls or landmasses, it is best that such areas remain **NEUTRAL** and not subject to control by any group, EVEN ‘uniformed’ enforcers. Who watches the watchers? Next we know they’ll start demanding we not be allowed to carry weapons, pay them a fee for the ‘services’ and then impose all kinds of taxes and the landstead BS again will arise.

    Just to avoid red tape, import taxes and customs or toll concessions, SSing is all about self governance. A group of uniformed men is the last thing we need.

    So no thanks, I’ll wear my own uniform designed by myself, carry my own weapon MODIFIED by myself (sawn off shotguns! maybe a M1 Garand) and ‘enforce’ myself, you can go play enforcer elsewhere, who knows there will be some sheeple happy to ‘obey’ you, though I think any SSer who has left the ‘factory society of landsteads’ would unlikely be sheeple.

    And that is the reason to leave the landstead as well. Who needs big brother in uniform breathing down our necks AFTER we left Landsteads? Glorified bandits posing as government will not pirate the freedom of SSes ! I’m with Doug on this. SSing is about freedom from ‘enforcement’ and is like @Frusha said, having a conscience and self management.

    ” You may decide not to actively participate in the society you live in, but you still expect others to behave within the rules of the society, while you expect certain members to insure that they do so. ” Quote – JL Frusha. (Nice and ambivalent if I read it right. If we keep our behaviour within a certain limit, no enforcement will be needed, not that any uniformed types are desired in any case.)

    If anyone wants to revolt or ‘take control’, they can just sail off, though at least one formed landmass (if the oly one then no choice) should ALWAYS remain NEUTRAL and be dedicated to support humanitarian services and distribution of goods, no matter how loud, abusive or obnoxious or martial and uniformed the ‘outcasts’ of SSing become. Someone has to be the adult (big brother is NOT adult btw, more mobster) and that is what SSing could also foster.

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    #13927
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    Algae and seaweed OIL is being used as biofuel. There is equipment for making that already is here, just source the right company that makes the micro versions.

    Also there is home brewery equipment for beer as well. Most of us are too lazy, or the marketeers are not promoting well enough for us to start killing the establishment brewers that all.

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    Try walking backwards at angles if you want a tsunami at your beach too. The secret for generating quakes I reserve ;)

    Like the pencil drawn in by an encircling finger, the way we write and apply laws and constitutions will indeed determine how many natural disasters we deserve as well.

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    what’s VAT ? (Frankly I don’t f-ing know but just hate it cos it increases prices . . . )

    let’s define “bad laws” as those that punish or lower-vibration. (YES)

    and “good laws” those that compensate or balance (Never enough of this . . . )

    “better laws” those that encourage healthy growth or thriving. (So rare and these actually are ensconced in the Judiciary and Ombudsmen or Outy-Of-Court settlements *BUT* most of these elements are already agfflicted by the rot of society today that makes SSing necessary)

    yes, lets also get on-board with positive speech. for example:
    no-fiate becomes price-calculated barter, (OK, barter is the best, the FIAT MINT INDUSTRY is the worst tool of cheating by governments and their sh1t political party GANGBANGERS, vote for non-plutocrats and non-nepotists or non-political oligarchs . . . POLITICIANS are a waste of time. Refer all new laws and existing laws to various religious texts and you will find EVERYTHING solved . . . though religious texts themselves are dismetrically opposed and should agin apply in a limited manner to seperate towns or districts or states to allow diversity of Human expression . . . )

    no bad laws becomes voluntary contractual law, (OK, but I think there’ll be some masochists that will want to continue living under law as it is in general – take for example Forced Military Conscriptions written by a small group of people then imposed on everyone – wrong innit?)

    no taxes becomes tribal accountability. (YES, I think each district or city area should cater to specific lifestyle types – Loudspeaker prayer towns to Absolute SIlence LIBRARY towns)

    @shredder, I hope that means the end of APARTHEID in the sh1ttiest regions of the world as well. Do critique or argue any points on the FB links. Who knows after some discussion we could come up with q unified CONSTITUTION for the Post Millenial world. Try Equality and EQUITABLE wealth distribution for a start.

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    #13880
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    Sanctimony posing as logic, posing as fiat masquarading as legitimate currency. Having it bad with the establishment does not remove the facts of real logic not tainted by self interest.

    Lots of verbal judo and labels but meaningless and agenda loaded posts by our resident ‘establishment’ cybertroopers – @emmettvm and @shredder.

    NO FIAT, NO VAT, NO GST, NO BAD LAWS, NO TAXES. You will not be allowed to creep in the failure of ‘Big Government’ and ruin the prosspect of Paradise and Pelagic living even as Nomadic living should be the natural paradigm than Landsteading.

    Whether or not you understand what I type is a moot point at this stage but try anyway, it’ll do you good, if there is any sincere intention about truly free SSing in you guys.

    (nutbars? – sounds TASTY but not very PC, what about the fruitbars and cerealbars?)

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    #13866
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    That UNCLOS section means rocks by themselves shall have no EEZ of their own. But they can be used to extend the EEZ of a country. Brazil is a perfect example, with the Saint Peter and Saint Paul Archipelago extending it’s EEZ far from its shores. There might be a research station on those rocks, but they are certainly barren and cannot sustain human habitation.

    HENCE the need for formation of linked Atolls to form Reefs, that should eventually be filled up to more than rocks and being alive with reef life and fish breeding ground and later habitable and filled places not unlike ACTUAL land masses.

    Perhaps a few ‘loans’ from rare island wildlife regions (liek (Galapagos) towards formation of sanctuaries to bring added reason for the SS landmass should be considered.

    Most importantly though, the colonists must not represent ANY national interests by governmental association and be truly intent on ending red tape as it’s intent than extension of political or national power. Few of us can truly claim that, and that is why SSing has not yet taken off. Probably not neutral enough to dare try it.

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