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    Ellmer, What if you could produce the energy with 95% efcientcy? Would that work ?

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    Ellmer, big energy tech/ venture captal/export business I think is a great way to lead the way. As steaders, an atsea port is amust for imports and exports for creating a commerce for survival. Most humans today are not roughnecks. A constant supply of energy will feed demand,and create cash flow to grow. Your aquatic ideas are also needed for supply and consumption. Even in the west they needed a town of different business to grow and attract more steaders. I do like your water/land combanation on another forum, though I would buy/own the land and rights and with no problems to water access. The fish farming is great, adding more variety, along with some type of cattle that can survive in the enviroment. Humans will always need a food supply. Wich is more seasteading?, submerged living or floating.

    #16119
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    Bravo- Flash3780, you are on the right tract.

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    Where,

    #15947
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    Ellmer, what is this design about? Floating or stationary? The bottom right picture.

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    Ellmer, reading of the idea of seasteading as expressed in these forums, unless you have a sorce of sustaining income to survive, you need to work for the income needed to support your realestate/regular joe steading investment. If you are a regular joe steader at sea, would you not have a job at sea to be cost efective? As mentioned before ,unless your are wealthy set, average joe still needs a sorce of income. So, are the steading/realestate units for the wealthy or average joe’s with minimum income? Trying to question this out for an understanding of this solo steading idea? It would seem a larger scale unit aligned with business ideas for income would sell better? Living/resort designs with business designs together, other than an oil rig.

    How much green energy would have to be produced from one plant design to catch the attention of investers? I was guessing 20,000 to 30,00 megawatts . One plant could even supply New York or some major city with the interest. Could the excess be sold inland with out being over taxed to make a nice profit? 50 to 100 miles out, would the plant still be under certain regulations? Not only would steaders have a job, a place to live,time share,they would start something new for living and working at sea. I like the underwater desings/living/exploring/farming/mining,etc.. Wish more were onboard for those thoughts.

    #15900
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    Ellmer, Yes,the unit is submerged/anchored to ocean floor. Use this cooler tower design for range of monetary purposes. (100m diameterx400ft tall). There would be a floor structure support every fifty feet, not worried about the top structure at water line yet. Needs to safetly compliment the pressures at 500ft, at sea bottom? Could the unit be built at sea with a cargo ship or must be piece built then assembled at sea? I am very interested in your underwater living ideas that you pictured in earlier posts. Have more questions/ideas, but not sure of the intelectual rights of this site? I know about building houses, but under water structures I have not learned yet. I asked another question,if you no the answer, on the” electricty” topic/forum. I will ask again, if you do not answer it there. More thoughts to come. No hurry.

    Other note, did the new trade agreement effect your business? Is your business in building concrete structures?

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    Ellmer, what would the rough cost of a concrete structure 500ft diameter, reenforced, 150 to 200ft deep. Thickness ? to withstand 1 and half the time the pressure at 300ft.

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    i_is_j smith, Ellmer

    How much green energy would have to be produced from one plant design to catch the attention of investers? I was guessing 20,000 to 30,00 megawatts . One plant could even supply New York. Could the excess be sold inland with out being over taxed to make a nice profit? 50 to 100 miles out, would the plant still be under certain regulations? Not only would steaders have a job, they would start something new. More thoughts.

    #15820
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    Something like the picture on top submerged half underwater on top of concrete structure simular to the one on the bottom? Then have 20′ sections all the way to the sea floor, used for different business/living space. You could have horse shoe pockets all around for steaders/comerce trade. At the bottom would be more outward structures for underwater exploration, minning,farming, learning how to live in a confined enviroment such as space(goog training exersize for space travel).

    Nice sub.what is the exterior hull made of? Are the pictures of the inside of the one pictured?

    Renting out some sections, plus diversified farming would cover costs later. Not to mention it would make a perfect power plant producer. Though what tax /tarrif would be placed on the supply to the country your stationed out from. Just about any amount of power could be produced, even more than the new china dam. Very profitable and steaders would have work. More thoughts floating.

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    Ellmer, what did you think of the Draugen/Troll designs?With the added space bubble concept. Is xns still persuing the concrete design?(200x200x50).

    How is your submersible doing?

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    Shredder, you said you want to feed people breakfast at sea? How tall (total) are your side walls? What is their construction? You asked me about a different design to take on a hurrican/cyclon. As for the design pictured, it looks like a house boat you want to submerge for rough weather. I think it would be cheaper to modify a used floating barge if you like that design. Design the top the way you want,the bottom the way you want.I think you are going to have a lot of issues/cost with sealing and submersing your unit. You could ask ellmer about that.The design formentioned would work great down in the islands/Belize. I am still trying to uderstand the pyramid anchor with four cables? Dangerous in rough waters. As for the weight of it,you could change it to an alluminum design and have a remote ballast system for increasing /decreasing the weight in the pyramid. You could even run the two in tandom.

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    Squid, You are correct. You can not build utopia. Each human creates their own utopia idea that makes them feel good. To create a society of utopia with humans is impossible. Genetic factor.But we can try to get a long. I do agree with you about thousands of steaders for years. It would be easy to build a new island, but you would still have rules and regs from the owners. Any business venture needs profit. Even I would want compensation for my efforts. The biggest draw for me would be low costs,if I work on the island a fair low tax system,I do uderstand upkeep costs.A banking system seperate from other countries,but still does monetary exchanges with them. Simple law rules.The only way envesters profit is they have to offfer customers/steaders what their home country does not. There are so many ideas at play you would have to make a stew that looks and tastes good.

    Steading/business on the bottom of the ocean would bring profits to an invester. You have at least half the planets ocean floors to stead/work the land. The simple task of minning certain parts of the moon would bring profits to an invester. Where ther is a will, there is a way, But like ,I am guessing,the most of us here blogiging need venture capital with an idea they would invest in.

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    Shredder, I have several drawings/ideas, but Ellmer found something close to one of my drawings you might like, that I think would compliment any weather situation if done correctly. Go to home page,click on “making a 50′ concrete sphere’, and go to quote #10, click video. Though there is room for adding ideas, I would increase the height at the center line to absorb the waves. This concept could easly be redesigned for submersable ventures. I have a lot of different thoughts that go into a concept like thiis. Depending on the weight and size you could manuver in and out of water ways or venture out to deep sea if you wish. Though if you want to ride huricane waves, make sure 100% of loose objects are secured/bolted down,and be able to handle the flip over of your vessel. If your weight distribution is correct you should flip top side up.I am not sure how your passengers will fare, so you might want a sparce crew.Or, you could incorporate a submersible design with ballast system and manuver under water about 100′ down.If the design is done correctly, it would out manuver a submarine. More rambling thoughts. As far as taking on a cyclone, I would not do it with a small vessel,it would probably lift you out of the water. More thoughts for later.

    #15755
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    Ellmer, the concrete shell design is one of best designs I have seen. One of my drawings is simular, but I still added more height between the water line and the upper dome to prevent some of the waves slapping on deck.as the video showed. Another note,even weight ditribution will help bouyency. Actual at sea steading is going to be alot different than steading in coastal waters. If steading is staying in one place, I think it will be hard for a small unit to stay in one place at sea 100 miles out. Especialy when 30 to 50 foot swells come your way. Have any sea goers on this forum experienced riding a swell? This design would be great for starting point with submersibles. A larger scale ,selfsustaining,submerged for six months or beter would be a great starting point for space travel/colonizing.(submarine style).

    The problem I see with humans and sea steading at sea is we are born land dwellers. The ideal situation I think would help this project would be a generation born at sea or water enviroment. Some of that generation should be able to handle an isolation enviorment such as under water colonizing/space travel/space colonizing. It takes certain individuals to handle months to years of sea life., much less a family. Many more thoughts.

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