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    RE libertariandoc yes that is how its done but its not flexible but you have 2 tubes and the concrete tube is made in betwen those two. also you need to put in steel to keep the konstruktion strong enough. btw. cold is not good when concrete is hardning. thats why when working with concrete winter time here in sweden. they got big heaters blowing warm air at the concrete. also they can use portable flamers. tho i doubt sea temp is below 0. anyway back to topic. sure concrete is great. but it is only great for presure forces not pull forces. so basicly the tube connecting the living quarters and water could be made out of concrete.

    but i have a much much better idea.

    make the heavy and strong parts out of steel. anti corrosion steel like the main tube and joints etc. do the living quarters out of aluminium. A. it does not rust. B it is light and C can be verry strong and cheap if built corectly. like aluminum walls and floors can be made like a sandwitch arkitekture. barlast tanks can be made with glassfiber materials. also try to keep tings as modular as possible. so people can use parts and modules they want. not all people will want to grow their own food therefore they wont need alot of “growing space” and use concrete only for the barlast/sink. ok. now to the questions.. Q.aluminium is so expensive. A. true but you dont need to “maintain” it as much it is light and it can be used for almost anything. and unlike concrete aluminium does have a value even if its scrap metal. so yes it costs a little bit more but the worth does not dissepar. its still there. (just asked a co worker about alu pricing. they currently pay 4€/ KG ) so lets say you are going to build a a 20 ton “topplatform” that would cost 800 000€ and now lets say a conrete one would cost 50 000€ and steel 150 000€ (just guessing on those last 2). now for the first. concrete and steel are much more heavy and need a bigger overall struckture to deal with the load. so a 20ton steel platfrom would be much smaler. then a aluminum one. and it would rust. need constant maintnance. and dont forget. iven if the sea stead sinks or gets wreaked or what ever. when we return it to port we still get our 800 000€ back. becuse thats the cost for the raw material. and if it was made out of concrete. you would have to pay someone to take it off your hands.

    so my proposal basicly is.

    Make the seastead platform and living area out of aluminium to keep the weight down.

    make the main “tube/pole/bearing structure out of Steel.

    make the barlast tanks out of alu/glasfiber materials.
    make the sink out of concrete. it can be dumped if need be. and to almost no cost.

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    exile and deportation might work inte the beggining but not later on on a larger scale. becuse deportation would be sticking someone on a raft and sending them away when they have done a crime thats like giving a bankrobber airplane tickets… so in my mind deportation or exile is pretty much the same as a death sentance. both are fine ofc. put him on a small liferaft and look where the waves take him. or just snap on some cement shoes and see him dive in.

    I have a great solution for this problem tho.

    when you do a crime your appartment and all your belongings get frozen/sezed. and you become a slave. you are forced to work for free you can be sold to other seasteads work on boats what ever. you loose your citizenship and you become a merchendise. tho you still have some human rights such as place to sleep and food. but you pretty much work for nothing and if you do not work you get punished. you could put a collar on these “slaves” with GPS and maybe some kind of stun gun. you dont obey your handler and he presses a button and you get zaped. its used to learn dogs do tricks. why not the same with humans. after the slave has done his time the collar comes off and you are a free seastead citizen once again. small offences give you a week. rape murder etc give several years in slavedom.

    The victim can get the offenders property an items. or the victim can get the offender him self. think about seeing someone try and steal your waterjet. but he then gets cought by some friendly seasteaders and you get to keep him for X weeks. making him paint your apartment block. then renting him out to paint your friends apartment blocks. during nite time you put him to sleep press a button and if his head moves 1 meter from that original location he gets zaped :-D sweet

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    ^^ thats my idea. forgot to login.

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    yes what you say is true. but remember. several nations have REAL land mass that still are disputed. greece/turky alot of islands are disputed by japan russia korea and china. UK claims the rock. but that does not mean that more people cant claim it. and i am pretty sure if a colony was to be built there UK would not send its navy to destroy it. after all its just a small rock in the middle of nowhere.

    countries and goverments are a greedy bunch. but after all. they have enough things on their hands so they wont have time to deal with all issues and might just write it off.

    just look at the north pole. russia america canada UK norway they are all claiming the “sea bed” and they want its resources. even denmark is claiming large areas. claiming something does not mean its yours. i can claim a car on the street but the police decides if it really is mine or not. police = UN/other countries

    just love how the federation jugoslavia was created. this was during the cold war. they sent diplomats to US and told them acknowledge us as a country or russia will force us behind the iron curtain. they also sent diplomats to russia telling them to acknowledge them as a country or the west would put them in NATO. and whops a new country is born.

    anyway, its all just philosophical. i just liked the ROCK !

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