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  • #23587
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    If they’ll ever do something, BlueSeed will charter a cruise ship and refit it, nothing else… Those are just marketing graphics :)

    #23579
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    That’s an old logo from an old TSI “tree house like” project of theirs that at the time I heavily criticized :)

    And I am really glad to see the new Ocean City Project in a floating doable format!

    #23576
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    Sparky,

    I’m glad to hear that! Were in the Keys did you go camping?

    #23570
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    First of all, I have BIG doubts that those legs are structurally safe anymore. After 50 years and very little maintenance it is almost a certitude that they are rusted like hell. When was the last time a diver was send down bellow to check on them? When was the last time and overall marine survey was done to the whole structure.

    As Wil said plain and simple “scrap metal removal liability problem”. Period.

    Now, why is 40 ft above water line a problem. First of all a if a floating structure has a hull with 40 ft of topsides (the part of the hull measured from the water line to the main deck), that’s not a problem. Other boats can dock alongside and passengers and cargo can be easily be transfer between the 2 ships. Also, note that even in heavy seas the 2 ships docked alongside will pitch and roll in a “synchronized” motion, as one “unit” (assuming that they are about the same displacement) and therefore not affecting to much their business at hand.

    If you have a fixed platform suspended 40 ft from the sea level on legs and no solid surface there, supplying and passenger transfer to and from the platform WILL be problematic. If docked by the legs, even in mild seas the supply boat will constantly bang against the legs. Cargo will have to be hauled up using a crane to the platform. If generators are used, fuel also will have to be hauled up instead of pumped from one tank to another (as per normal refueling procedures). If this is the case, fuel have to be shipped to the platform in barrels. That will be MUCH more expensive than bulk shipping and transfer. How about water? Assuming the platform has a water maker (what else if not so?) the seawater to be desalinated will have to be pumped 40 ft up. Running such heavy duty pump will cost fuel = MONEY. (on a regular boat you just open a seacock and water pours in) How about passengers (or dwellers)? In the case of a bigger platform which might want to run some sort of accommodation business, than everybody will have to climb the legs up and down and then “make” it on the deck of a moving boat?? No way. You will have to use an elevator cage like on oil platforms,…that will go really well with some people :(

    The whole scenario is NOT conductive to anything. Business or seasteading.

    It will be like living in a tree house on the ocean. That’s sea scouting not seasteading.

    #23567
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    I don’t see the Diamond Shoal tower happening,…ever. Regardless how you feel about seasteading on floating structures, it is the only feasible solution, so far. Seasteading on a platform 40 ft up in the air above the water line is gonna be a logistic nightmare.

    #23565
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    I did checked out some videos of the structure and it doesn’t look that bad,…and building a “covered dock” underneath the structure it’s a good idea. But the big question is how are you gonna make money on that location in order to survive there. The only immediate source of revenue there is commercial fishing and down the road fish or bait farming. (on a minimum investment and only as seasonal-summer-activity)

    And between buying the structure, fixing it up a bit, investing in couple of boats, permits, fuel, food, etc, you are looking at a minimum of $100,000.00 just to start up.

    For that money you can be seasteading all year long in the Florida Keys…

    #23560
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    How much this guy Dave Schneider paid for it? If I may ask,…

    #23555
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    It seems that the DS tower sustained some heavy damages in the last few years.

    From Wikipedia: “Two photos appearing on the new owner’s Facebook page[3][4] in 2013, and in Wikimedia[5] dated June 2012, shows storms since the USCG inspection report dated January 2012 have knocked out several large sections of the K-bracing at the waterline, severely compromising the stability of the tower and its resistance to future storms. A more recent photo[6] apparently dated July 2013 shows a third horizontal brace, on the side with the boat lift, may have fallen off.”

    Also, keep in mind that DS is in the middle of the Graveyard of the Atlantic. There is a reason they named it so…

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graveyard_of_the_Atlantic

    I did sailed in those waters from Ocracoke, Pamlico Sound all the way down to Cape Lookout and I can tell you from personal experience that those waters are very dangerous to seastead in…Supplying that seastead would be a nerve racking experience even for the most seasoned sailor. Forget about it,…

    #23550
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    Does that really matter?

    #23517
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    Of course you did miss something :) We all do…

    And I don’t want to bother you with my challenges. (I cannot be that cruel since you sound like a nice guy and it seems that you have your hands full already – in a positive way) :)

    I am only interested in seasteading. But I just started another business and everything else is on hold now.

    #23515
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    Somehow, I have a bad gut feeling about the future, immediate and long term,…That includes big question marks regarding the ability of generating “positive” socioeconomic and political change by working within the present global status quo.

    #23511
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    I personally think your ideas could work very well on a seastead. (with or without dropping acid :))

    In fact, it would work MUCH better on a seastead than on land due to less interference of any “sort” and also due to the fact that the “homework” of “identifying a business opportunity” is somehow done.. Don’t feel “dirty” about the corporate/profit “approach”. Money is needed no matter what or where (specially on a seastead). Plus, on a seastead, the business “structure” and “bylaws” can be CALLED and BE anything, therefore qualitative much better than a “corporation”, as we now it so far.

    Finding a sponsor or investor needs to be addressed,…unless the whole “venture” is self sponsored by the members involved (which alternative I am a big fan of).

    #23500
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    No, just the ferrocement over plywood. (as you said, similar to Bahama or Bermuda buildings coating). My floats are not design flexible but rigid, heavy and maintenance free. (well, other than scraping the bottom once in a while if you’ll have to motor for a longer distance and in order to save on fuel). If you use anything else other than ferrocement you will have to haul out once a year to repaint the bottom and check for blisters (if fiberglass) or rust (if steel). That can get expensive.

    I would advise against any flexibility in the hull of the float or pontoon. If too flexible, it can break under a serious pounding or if running aground on a rocky bottom.

    But the whole raft up has a certain degree of flexibility. http://www.themanmadekey.org/the-mmk-project.html

    #23491
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    Well, the example is relevant in terms of getting a realistic look at the “affordability” of baysteading. The fact of the matter is that living in Hawaii or on the Sunset Key are “bargains” compared to the price tag of Fonseca Baystead.

    The Total Capital Cost of the Fonseca Baystead Platform (that’s the Platform ALONE) is $225,476,251. “Only” $978/sq.ft. to built the “foundation” alone,… When they will start building on that foundation, the final product will be at least $2000/sq.ft.

    That being said, I am just simply wondering what kind of “new ideas for government” will be tested by “the next generation of pioneers” living on the Fonseca Baystead?

    #23489
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    Well, than you should buy a ticket to Key West and live on the Sunset Key for one week. It is only 500 yards from shore. You’ll find out how “complete opposite” that is…

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