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  • #23727
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    I think the question is not how much you gonna pay to live on a so far nonexistent seastead, but how much are you willing to invest in order to build a seastead (so you can live on it).

    Down here in Florida, for around $4k-$5k down x 7-8 investors (and another $5k in monthly contributions), a coastal (close to shore) permanent, modest seasteading community can be built as a profitable business by using houseboats and concrete floating docks, and grow from there. There are 3 investors here (including myself) who are looking into it.

    You don’t have to break the bank in order to seastead. Small steps and a disciplined approach will get you further than a big leap in most of the cases,…I guess :)

    #23711
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    Few years ago there was a guy from Singapore who designed and built a prototype of a hexagonal, interlocking modular capable plastic float, about 6′ in diameter. He wanted to create a big floating island using his floats. His TSI name is xns. Here is a link to his design.

    http://www.seasteading.org/forum-list/topic/modular-island-design/

    #23698
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    LOL, talking about levels of realism,…with a “corporate ownership and citizen input forces changes to the plan”? Corporations don’t have citizens but employees. Their “input” is work, and that’s about it, they don’t force no “change of plan”.

    You’d be better of with a bunch of idealists trying to set up an utopia on the high seas after they all won the biggest power ball jackpot ever while pitching a dollar each and, of course, not knowing what to spend their money on :)

    #23689
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    I don’t see “honeycombing” related to modularity,…What is the purpose of building (lets say) 3′x 3′ “modules” and than rafting them up when you can build a 30′x 30′ platform to start up, for much cheaper? I see modularity being useful for bigger scale projects when the start up capital is low. For example, if the goal of the project is to build a 300′x 300′ platform, one can start with a 60′x 60′ one and keep on rafting up modules until the project is complete.

    As a general rule for seagoing structure, every sq. foot below deck should be efficiently use for storage (food, water, fuel, cargo, etc), machineries or living quarters. If you fill that space with “honeycomb” you will be wasting it. Since you still need space for the above, you will have to build it somewhere else. Therefore, you will be “double building” and spend extra money, in my opinion.

    #23687
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    I really don’t see the need for all the honeycombing inside the above triangular hull. One athwartship watertight bulkhead on the median line and doubling the hull thickness would suffice to assure flotation even in case of a head on collision.

    Also, speaking in general, all the waste of material and labor to build a honeycomb inside any hull, will only add to the cost of the structure (8 times more expensive if built the way it’s shown above), with no real benefit to the overall safety and seaworthiness of such structure.

    #23675
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    There is no constituency :)

    #23661
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    They already got $37k out of $30k goal with 24 days to go. I like their “clear dome” feature: “For the rest of the year, we intend to put a clear dome over Breakwater so that guests can continue enjoying a tropical pool environment even during the harshest of winters.”

    #23649
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    Wow…we should have robots now….that will “simultaneously demolish and then rebuild the mini town with a different architecture style every six months based on the designs for improvement of the inhabitants on board”.

    Now THAT would be some cool thing!!!! What else do you have in mind, Patric?

    #23634
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    Kat,

    I do apologize for that comment…

    #23623
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    OK,…Also if you put wings on a pontoon it could fly.

    Let’s not play anything. You don’t have to prove nothing to me. Just buy the 2 $5000 pontoons and refit them as you want. I wasn’t trying to convince you of anything. I never mentioned pontoons. I never wanted to cut no deck of no boat. I never wanted to lift no deck 20 ft in the air and add whatever tubing to the whole thing.

    If you believe that “….the waves are in one place on the ocean, and most of the water is somewhere else.” you should be deemed mentally unfitted for seasteading. Do you listen to yourself? How in the hell 99% of the boat “cannot be where the waves are” if it’s fucking floating??? Which part of “If you have water you will have waves, lol, can’t separate…” statement was an intellectual challenge to you??

    There is nothing “stable” on the water! It’s freacking water!

    #23617
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    Kat,

    If you have water you will have waves, lol, can’t separate…

    If you want the “stability” of the Fonseca platform or better you should be prepared to pay $2000/sq.ft. ’cause that’s how much it will cost you for the finished product. Also keep in mind that there is nothing exceptional about the stability of the Fonseca platform. It is a square, and in reality it’s stability is poor. Also, as I mentioned before, my opinion is that the height of the platform CANNOT BE only 5 m but at least 10 m. That will make it more expensive,…

    Also keep in mind that I am ONLY talking about floating structures here. The moment your start building any floating structure from scratch you should say good bye to “cheap”. If you want cheap and small the only way to go is houseboats and floating docks around them and moored in protected waters. The bottom line is like this:

    In a community type situation where, lets say at least 10 people get together and purchase a 100′ houseboat and build floats around it, it will cost at least $20-25,000.00/person.

    If individual seasteading modules (MMK type, lets say, with a 35′x 12′ houseboat there and floats around it) at least $30-35,000.00 DIY.

    #23608
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    Ken,

    We rent a 2/2, garage, backyard. We got a super good deal @ $820 and that’s the only reason we are not in a 1/1. We never put the car in the garage since it is full of “stuff”,…the backyard is really nice with a grill, palm trees, orchids, etc, but I maybe spend couple of hours a week there,…If it would be up to me, (and that day is coming :) I would be living on a boat in a marina for $300/mo slip rent.

    That’s $6,000.00/year in the bank. $30,000.00 in 5 years. A down payment to a small seastead,…

    My point is, do we REALLY need so much space, I mean in general? I don’t think so… After all, there are billions on this planet living in a 10′ x 10′ shack,…

    Kat,

    I do agree w/you that there are a lots of catch 22′s for a cheap seasteading community start up. I like the incubator idea. But, we had some conversations here few years ago on a similar subject and there was a SOBIZ (Seasteading Outpost Belize) sort of project that would have acted like the incubator you talk about, located on an island in the Belize Reef. The idea was to run some sort of business there and also build seasteading modules. It didn’t happen…

    Now, I think the question is rather WHAT than HOW. For example, The MMK was conceived as a business to start with. Later on, I did switch the concept to a nonprofit that will built a base of ocean habitation enthusiasts around The MMK and eventually this group will decide to build a small floating community based on The MMK experience. All this on hold, again, due to other projects that popped in my life,…But The MMk was not intended to be lived aboard as a seastead… It was conceived as a “vehicle” that would take us seasteading,…

    So, if now we are talking about a Small Seasteading Community, we have to first define WHAT it is in order to determine HOW we can build it.

    Is it just a one time gig, lets say a small floating island moored in protected waters with up to 25 residents and that’s about it? Or is it a start up of a long process of ocean colonization that will transcend our generation and generations to come? If it’s the first one it’s one think and if the second, a totally different one,…

    Is it a business or residential only and people just commute on shore for work? Or both?

    Do we want to start building a floating platform right away or we start cheaper on houseboats?

    Do we “build” a community of interested people and organize first or we play it as it comes?

    #23604
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    To me, the “trick” for small scale seasteading (up to 20-25 seasteaders per structure) to work, is to have everybody involved as a working or silent partners in the business that operates aboard that seastead and, subsequently, also involved the process of governance of that seastead.

    If so, and if such seasteading business is profitable, than the whole notion of “rent”, “utilities”, “shopping for groceries”, “health care”, “retirement planning”, etc. would be just “operating expenditures”. At the end of the day, everybody involved will be living there for “free” and receive a profit sharing check weekly.

    And for those saying that would be “socialism”, you are misinformed. In socialism, all means of productions are owned by the state and there is very little or no private property. On the above, most of the means of production are own by the people and the whole thing it’s mostly private property (other than the public places).

    #23598
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    PS. It looks like they were charging $800/night and the business is “closed”? for 2014,…

    http://fishermansparadise.com/

    #23596
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    They are charging $550/night. They are moored 15 nm offshore, outside the US territorial waters so I guess they can stay there as long as they want. There is no such similar US business, or at least around Florida, that I know about.

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