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  • #24002
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    Than all you have to do is wait and hope you’ll be invited at the party.

    #23991
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    Wil, I totally agree that the project you are working in Cartagena has the best chances to succeed, since it has the support of the City of Cartagena Chamber of Commerce AND the support of local marine businesses.

    Simply put it, local political support and access to money are the most important ingredients when it comes to ANY seasteading project.

    In regards to the floaty tiling concept discussion, it is what it is,…I personally believe in the power of experimenting and that even a small “seasteading something” has quite an “intrinsic seasteading value”.

    #23985
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    What I am trying to tell you guys is that so far, the term “seasteading” is just a concept. It is not an establish “industry” or a “movement” or anything else. And that’s a fact.

    So, it will be hard to find investors to dump money into a “concept”, and even harder if your concept starts with: “I’ll build a billion dollar floating city that will be the best thing that happened to humanity since sliced bread”.

    On the other hand, starting “as cheap as possible” won’t work either because the very moment you want to make money as a floating “entity” of some sort, all kind of “agencies” and ‘departments”, federal, state and county will be knocking at your door wanting to see permits, licenses, etc. Otherwise, they’ll close you down and confiscate your “seastead”. We are talking about US of A here. In a third (or otherwise) world country you can bribe your way into it. And that’s a fact too.

    But you guys can use your time and money as you wish if you think otherwise.

    Just keep in mind that time is a commodity that you’re always running out of, no matter what, and money is a commodity that is harder and harder to get nowadays. And that’s a fact too.

    #23982
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    The “blowing” will be on you for that $25,000 “private consultation” fee. That’s the only way you gonna get it.

    Meanwhile, by looking at your website, I am really glad that you too know what you are talking about and that the future of seasteading is in such competent hands.

    #23980
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    Yeah baby :) let’s make it sexy,…Built a vagina (or penis) shaped seastead for “value proposition”…

    “This movement”?? What “movement”?? So far seasteading it’s just a topic of conversation between me, you, Wil, Spark and few occasional lurkers.

    It’s just A MOMENT that is yet (and has a long, long way) to become a “movement”.

    #23975
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    I worked as a marina maintenance manager for the Kona Kai Yacht Club in Shelter Island; I sold yachts (real expensive ones) as a yacht broker for Fraser Yachts in Shelter Island; I had my own marine business, varnishing, buying and selling used sailboats and subcontracting boat repairing jobs from all the major yachts brokers in SD, etc.

    I used to go to Hospitality Point Park and fish off the rocks :) It was 2 min from my slip when I had my sailboat docked @ Marina Village. I hanged out A LOT in Mission Beach and PB, mostly at Winstons :) Life was good man.

    Talking about Dana Point, that’s bad memories for me. In the winter of ’98 I sold the ferrocement sailboat I had (BIG, BIG, BIGGGGGGGEST MISTAKE) and I bought a 47′ wooden sailboat in Dana Point, which was supposed to be the ticket for the South Pacific.

    While taking it back to SD we got hit by a big storm,..20 foot waves, 30 knt winds. The mast broke in half and while falling down the spreaders punctured a big hole 2 feet bellow the water line. The boat sank in 3 minutes, we barely got out of there alive in a life boat,…I lost everything in 3 min,…

    One month later we moved to Florida.

    #23973
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    I first lived in Marina Village in Mission Nay and than we moved to Marina Cortez in Harbor Island.

    It wasn’t expensive back then (1992-1999),…I was paying $9/ft @ Marina Cortez for my 40′ ferrocement sailboat with free electric, laundry, showers, my own parking space and swimming pool.

    These were the “good old days” man :)

    http://www.marinacortez.net/amenities_services.html

    #23964
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    #23962
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    It takes on to know one.

    #23960
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    It looks like you really know what you’re doing. Best luck to you.

    #23956
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    The project is incremental, with $30k needed for the whole project. What is needed to start is only $16k for the first phase: $12k to purchase a houseboat similar to this http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/bod/4610643166.html and $4k to start operating.

    The rest can be financed from the profits and smaller contribution, little by little.

    I never said that I will invest $30k by myself since I don’t have $30k cash either.

    I always said that such venture will be a partnership of 4-5-? people.

    Also, we are looking into being a non profit organization (which doesn’t mean that we can’t have profit to operate, grow and pay ourselves for working on the project)

    #23954
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    Zutai, it’s not about fear. These are realistic costs of developing such venture. Yes, you can take it 3 miles offshore. But the costs of ferrying people so far will be huge. 3 miles offshore the operational costs (ferrying fuel for generator(s), all the buzz, food, holding tanks pump out, etc) will also be huge. 3 miles offshore, your cheapest scenario (3 houseboats raft up) won’t work because they won’t make it in those waves there. You will need to build at a different standard for much more money.

    Even if you’ll charge $20 for a beer, you’ll barely cover operational cost and you won’t make any profit. Those guys spent $ millions on a similar business venture and it looks like they will fold soon. http://fishermansparadise.com/

    In my opinion, 3 miles offshore there are different seasteading business dynamics compared to a quarter mile offshore.

    You must have a solid “local” source of income to cover your operational costs, which should be commercial fishing to start with. Yes, there is money to be made in “tourism” but residual, and I would suggest overnight, weekly accommodations, rather than daily based entertainment. And forget about ferrying people twice a day 3 miles offshore. Only weekly passenger ferry if you want to see a profit…or, become a local sailing destination where people will use their boats to come to your seastead to hang out and spend money.

    If you want to make a fast buck and be able to grow, forget about 3 miles offshore and $150k minimum investment start up. That’s the second step.

    The first step is investment under $30k and 200 yards from shore as a on the water weekend hang out place, in my book and according to my wallet :)

    #23951
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    The club thing ain’t a bad idea. Back in the day we used to go parting on the Floating Castle (a.k.a Pleasure Palace) in San Diego Bay :)

    http://legacy.utsandiego.com/news/metro/20020130-9999_7m30castle.html

    The structure had an open air seawater pool inside for skinny dipping :) Your imagination was the limit :)

    But back than were different times man, nobody would bother us. Unfortunately, times have changed, they’ll shut you down in no time if you operate without proper licenses nowadays.

    In order to go legal with such venture today, for an occupancy of 50 people you need AT LEAST $150k. And that’s only if you raft up 3 x 40′ houseboats together and refit them into a club. If you built it from scratch by yourself you’re looking at $300k or more. If you hire somebody to build it for you from scratch and at your own specs, $500k or more.

    #23949
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    “Have amusement parks, have zoos, have high end dining, have high end hotels, have pretty toys for the rich, etc.” is all there on cruise ships. Can seasteading (a non existing “industry” so far) compete with Carnival, Norwegian, Disney etc.? No way…

    What we really need right now is to look at seasteading in the context of the CURRENT geopolitical and global economy situation. With conflicts everywhere and a de facto “recessive” economic status quo around the world, who’s gonna invest in a multi-million dollars big scale seasteading project? Nobody.

    With the situation around the world looking bleaker by the day (borderline on the brink of global war), the markets will start “correcting” soon. The big money will go from stocks to cash and gold and straight into Swiss banks, not into seasteading, LOL.

    We won’t see a big scale seasteading project in the next 20 years.

    It is more likely that we’ll see small seasteading projects popping here and there, out of the necessity to weather tough economic times and for individual safety in the form of small floating communities.

    #23945
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    Well said JW. Ethics & purpose…

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