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  • #25856
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    …seasteading return on investment, investment risk, opt in, opt out… are variables function of what kind a seastead is developed.

    I don’t know anything about the prices of real estate in Cartagena. And I really don’t care because I want to “invest closer to home”, in the the Florida Keys or The Gulf.

    For the kind of seastead I have in mind I estimate a minimum of 100% ROI for the first year with consequential 20-30% increase year after year, investment risk medium.

    #25753
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    If I’d be interested in buying property in Cartagena, I’d rather pay $350/m2 than $17000/m2.

    http://www.encuentra24.com/colombia-en/real-estate-for-sale-beachfront-homes-and-lots/colombia-cartagena-boquilla-2-lotes-con-vista-al-mar/2044318

    #25748
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    I do have a major “credibility issue” with your assumption of “$1 input converts to $102 floating real estate asset value”.

    #25745
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    There could be alternative methods of financing.

    http://miami.craigslist.org/brw/boa/4892005470.html

    #25744
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    Advertising,…

    #25653
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    NO, we are not “over it by now”, ellmer.

    When you sign a business contract, every little detail is in print and it is necessary to state the obvious. A “contract” is a contract no matter what and HAS to be in writing.

    The Founding Fathers of any seastead will HAVE to write “all men are equal” on a paper, stamp it, and all participants will have to sign by the X and the doted line.

    No way around it.

    #25643
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    This is exactly what I’ve been saying for all this time but only a few could understand it:

    The only politics (for a lack of a better word) the people on a seastead should be involved in, is that of keeping politics out of their family, business, spiritual and daily life. How they do it (Constitution, Set of Rules, Morse Code, Braille or None of the Above) it’s quite irrelevant.

    I would prefer a laissez-faire “state of being” under a “Seasteading Charter”, just because it fits my personality,…:)

    #25641
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    It’s not that simple ellmer, and you know that.

    When it comes to seasteading, investors will ask A LOT of “political” questions and you’ll spend a lot of “space” and time “discussing politics” with them,…

    #25636
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    @Spark

    Yes, nothing floats yet, unfortunately. But is better to take our time and build “something right” from the start, rather than floating out something in hurry that will be a failure later. I do agree with William here that “I for one would not like to build a community out on the ocean without this thought out well since we have to rely on each other.”

    If a grassroots movement approach to seasteading is chosen, and in order to be successful “out there”, than such community should be formed here on land, well organized and with a solid vision and business plan.

    Otherwise, anything else is just “salon talk”, as ellmer would put it,…

    #25635
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    @William

    A Constitution is needed so WE WON’T SET UP governing bodies similar to the US, UK, etc.

    @ellmer

    There will always be “politics” of some sort no matter how advanced the technological developments are, specially in a global society that runs 100% on a representative democracy model.

    I invite you to imagine a seasteading community based on a direct (referendum based) democracy system. No “Upper” or “Lower Houses” no “left”, “right” or “middle”, no “complicated legal system”, no “Political Body” to introduce “legislation” that themselves will vote for, no bureaucratic “departments” that will take “6 to 8 month or more” to issue a “permit” that any kid with a average education will say yes to in 2 hours, etc, etc.

    “Politics” is just another word. It is the “toxicity” of the “political process” that is poisoning the society and the business environment,…

    #25614
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    We are running in circles here…

    If “all those things will not be decided by Ellmer and Ocean discussing on a forum, nor by TSI” than what’s the point to this conversation?

    If the “size of cruise ships is limited by the availability of dry docks and their lifespan by maintenance schedules” you wouldn’t see the Oasis of the Sea and Allure of the Sea being built for $1.4 Billion each. So, if in the last 5 years, ZERO DOLLARS went into seasteading and $2.8 Billion into cruise ship industry, I would highly suggest to start “follow the money” and pay attention to this “big boys”. They own the manual on “floating cities” HOW TO.

    I wouldn’t be surprised AT ALL if their next “investment move” would be to build “floating islands paradise destinations” as “stop over” along their cruise ships itineraries. That’s where the serious “big bucks” seasteading developer should be nowadays, with Carnival, Royal Caribbean International, Regent Seven Seas Cruises, Windstar Cruises, Silversea Cruises and Princess Cruises as potential high-end investors.

    #25611
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    To me, it seems that the Tankas or Uru didn’t evolve much just because they never planned to become a powerful sea city. They just seem content with their aquatic lifestyle. Why use them as a “negative” example in the context of seasteading? Maybe further down the road a seasteading community might decide not to grow over, lets say, 1000 people and live happily ever after just as so. I don’t see anything wrong with that.

    I wouldn’t be so quick in postulating that “the reason why the evolution to floating cities did not happen yet,… is the technology bottleneck”. Concrete building in the marine environment has been used extensively for a while now.

    But, similar concepts to “floating cities” did evolved. They are just called cruise ships.

    #25602
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    @ellmer

    But there is no such thing as “line of evolution, the dynamics of evolution, or the “inner makings” of the project” unless we set up the parameters of that equation. This “evolution” that we are talking about here is not random,…This is far from “evolution” which, by definition, is left to the mercy of the forces of nature.

    In fact, and lets be honest here for one second, when you aspire to change the fabric of “what it is”, we are de facto talking about a revolution here.

    And revolutions are planned, organized, financed and executed.

    #25598
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    Why is 100′ laughable at? Is 100′ too high or too low for you?

    #25594
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    Personally, I wouldn’t finance (or get an investor involved) for such a small structure (under 100′ LOA). Of course, it all depends on the complexity of the project. But, it would help at this point to define what a “floating island” is in terms of size.

    I would set the “floating island” threshold @ 100′ LOA or bigger. It would be laughable (as you would put it) to call a 20′ x 10′ bait barge a “floating island”,…

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