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    Lasse-Birk-Olesen
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    Lasse wrote:

    Patri wrote:

    How is it international waters if it is 2km from an existing country? 12nm is 22 kilometers of territorial seas.

    I believe it’s a special treaty signed to allow ships to pass from the Atlantic into the Baltic sea without having to enter territorial waters. Admittedly I just read about it on a personal homepage, but I’ve sent an e-mail to the Danish sea authorities to hear if they can confirm it. Will post here when I get a reply.[/quote]

    I received a reply from the authorities and I was mistaken. The strait is governed according to the UN Law of the Seas Part 3 which means ships or platforms staying in the same place is under state jurisdiction.

    Pastor_Jason, from what you say it definitely sounds like Belize is a good place to do this. But I don’t understand your reply to the wave issue which you posted on the blog. You wrote:

    I think anyone talking about “wave issues” doesn’t understand the idea of a seastead outpost. We’re NOT in the ocean, it’s on land. Once a seastead is made it can float to where-ever.

    For the record, Belize doesn’t have much waves. The country is loaded with lagoons and sports a fantasticly huge coral reef and series of atolls that serve as breakwaters. We’ve got plenty of space to float in “sheltered waters” down there.

    I replied:

    Jason, these lagoons and atolls you mention, do they contain any international waters? The reason I suggested the Mediterranean and the Baltic Sea is that they are both big enough to have international waters in them.

    Yes, a seastead, once it is built, can sail to whereever. But during this journey it has to be able to endure the waves. And if you’re going to move it to a sea on the other side of the world, why not just build it there in the first place?

    You say that the ultimate goal of this project is to build an oceanworthy seastead and send it to international waters. I’m just saying that getting this final step done will be easier in the Baltic or the Mediterranean rather than the Carribean, because the waves are significantly smaller. There may be other more important reasons to pick Belize anyway, but I don’t think you’ve adressed this point yet.

    #5960
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    Lasse-Birk-Olesen
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    Patri wrote:
    How is it international waters if it is 2km from an existing country? 12nm is 22 kilometers of territorial seas.

    I believe it’s a special treaty signed to allow ships to pass from the Atlantic into the Baltic sea without having to enter territorial waters. Admittedly I just read about it on a personal homepage, but I’ve sent an e-mail to the Danish sea authorities to hear if they can confirm it. Will post here when I get a reply.

    #5902
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    Lasse-Birk-Olesen
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    Eelco wrote:
    Very good points in my opinion. Superior weather conditions, better connection to the real world, and still low expenses. The baltic region is supposedly very libertarian, which should facilitate our goals further.

    Not sure about the latter point though: youd probably get in some sort of trouble if you start blocking shipping lines. International waters or not: people are going to get pissed.

    Estonia has a flat 20% income tax and is a popular place for entrepreneurs to go at the moment.

    The Black Sea and the Caspian Sea are two other sheltered waters that are big enough that they should have international waters in them.

    About Øresund: I wasn’t thinking about blocking ship lines. If the international waters trail is 490 meter wide, a seastead could easily use some of it without blocking any ships. Because I doubt there are freighters this wide.

    #5897
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    Lasse-Birk-Olesen
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    While a shorter term goal of this project is to establish a community and build a small model for the lake, the ultimate goal is to build a seastead to launch in the ocean off the coast of Belize, right? Have you looked into the waves there?

    From the coast of Belize there is wave fetch all the way from Africa. I think you will have very big waves which will make the seastead more expensive and harder to build.

    An alternative could be going for a location with access to sheltered international waters like the Mediterranean Sea or the Baltic Sea. Next to the first, you could set up in a very inexpensive African country. Next to the latter, you could set up in a fairly inexpensive Eastern European country.

    The Baltic Sea almost never have waves larger than 4 meters. In some locations they are usually around 0.5 meters while never above 3 meters. I’ve collected some info on the wave height in the Baltic here: http://wiki.seasteading.org/index.php/Ephemerisle:Location/Europe

    Or, in the Øresund waters between Denmark and Sweden there is a 490 meter wide trail of international waters that freighters use to get to the Baltic sea. But the distance between the two countries are only 4 km. This means you could be only 2 km away from two different coasts with two different cities but still be in international waters.

    #5878
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    Lasse-Birk-Olesen
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    Hello Laci,

    You also sent an e-mail concerning this. I apologized and updated your pictures according to your wish.

    If you feel it is a big problem that your design was represented by the wrong pictures for about a day, I’ll remind you that the contest announcement stated that you should only have submitted 3-5 images in the first place. If you had done that, this wouldn’t have happened.

    Thanks for participating!

    / Lasse

    #5021
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    Lasse-Birk-Olesen
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    I called them three times over several days but noone answered the phone. Seems they are dead.

    #4496
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    Lasse-Birk-Olesen
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    This is interesting. I live nearby so I just tried to e-mail them about having a look at their house if they built any yet, but the mail returns with an error. Is it a dead company? I’ll try to call them tomorrow.

    #4211
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    Lasse-Birk-Olesen
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    Welcome!

    The book has a section on waves: http://seasteading.org/seastead.org/commented/paper/ocean.html#Waves

    Does it answer your questions regarding waves?

    #3950
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    Lasse-Birk-Olesen
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    Seems you haven’t even hovered over “Learn More” in the menu? http://seasteading.org/seastead.org/commented/paper/index.html

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