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  • #13780
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    Katzpaw
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    Hey Gen,

    I’m not on my computer for a few days, so I’ll try to answer as best I can and add in my own favorite links later.

    GenSeneca wrote:

    The fermentation process takes 2 weeks (14 days), so harvesting 1 acre per day would require at least 14 stills. To my knowledge, you cannot simply add new stock to a fermentation tank and expect the process to continue, but I could certainly be wrong. If I am mistaken, please correct me.

    All commercial systems are set up with several tanks to process the given material…ie corn, sugar cane, ect., then when ready it is pumped into a fermentation tank. This process allows a constant level of production so that you get the most out of your equipment. It is also how these plants achieve 100m gallons per year production. Hence the name continuous distillation.

    Try a web search for Ethanol Producer Magazine. It has many useful articles, including one I ready a few months ago about a company in Brazil being the first to convert a turbine to run on ethanol in commercial power production…I believe it was in the 20MW range for power output. I’ll need to dig it out and post the correct issue/pg #.

    As for Aquaponics…I have two running systems, both smaller than I would like, but I wanted to get past the training curve with a minimum of losses financially. Boiled down to it’s basics, It is nothing more than an aquaculture system feeding the wastes to a hydroponic system and returning the water back to the fish tanks cleaned of the nutrient build up. You could try http://www.aquaponics.com , http://www.backyardaquaponics.com, and just a web search for aquaponics would turn up massive search results. As with all things you have to filter out the bad sites with the good ones.

    You might want to check out cold water agriculture (ColdAG) also. That is using raised beds with water lines running at different depths to provide a cooler or warmer root zone…depending on the needs of the plant.

    More later when I get home.

    Cheers,

    Katz

    #13752
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    Hi GenSeneca,

    Interesting idea. I proposed the use of converted VLCC/ULCC’s about a year ago, you can find it here:

    http://seasteading.org/blogs/main/2009/06/03/condo-cruise-ship-challenges

    So….I have a couple of comments/questions if i may.

    First off, I’m curious as to why 14 seperate stills instead of 1 or 2 continuous stills?

    Second, PMARS.MARAD shows a couple of nice ships awaiting disposal that are steam turbines…could ethanol be used in them instead of the added expence of converting ships to turbines.(not at all cheap) I’ll be it they aren’t as large as you where talking but they would be cheaper even after reactivation expenses. And the problem with these ships still remains, they can’t leave US Flag, so there you have the plus and minus’s of that idea.

    Third; The mash once you have completed distillation will not be pure kelp/seaweed, it will have what ever enzymes you used to break the available sugars for fermentation in it. In other words, a law suit waiting to happen when your dried kelp product isn’t just dried kelp. Which also would not be all bad, biogas digesters love spent mash, the turbines could be run on methane, then the processed sludge could be sold as organic fertilizer. All the while giving you a nice amount of ethanol to sell or use as needed. Or try pelletizing the spent mash as fish food and feed it back to fish in an aquaculture operation.

    As I am also the type that wants to be as selfsufficient as possible, I also realize it is not entirely possible. My main plan is to focus around aquaponics/aquaculture and have plenty of space for businesses that can be run over the internet. Also rent out space to marine scientists for research purposes, possible even starting online marine science courses similar to how University of Phoenix does there classes. Basically, I don’t believe it can be done by having one item try to support the entire operation, you need to have many operations going at once to support the whole, should one fail the others could pick up the slack….hopefully:)

    Essentially, a good business plan should be the start of any seastead, or the money to start one will not be forthcoming.

    All in all not a bad Idea, keep up the good work and i look forward to hearing more about it.

    Cheers,

    Katz

    #6543
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    OCEANOPOLIS wrote:

    Is not the same Clipperton I was writing about,…Look @ the photos…. There is no vegetation on Clipperton (the one off the Mexican coast) but few palm trees. Wrong Clipp lol.

    I noticed that, but couldn’t find anything about another Clipperton Island or Atoll. The photo’s appear to be the same size and shape of the one off the Mexican coast. My thought is it was the same atoll with touched up photo’s from an early expedition. lol

    And I’m curious about the price myself. Lets face it, when the oceans rise, that island better rise with it or it’s going under….I wonder if that means it’s still French territory once submerged?

    #6526
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    I have been looking for a more recent example and can’t find one. I did come across the Pitcairn Islands deal that flooped in the 80′s do to environmentalist intervention, and I agree with them on there point. The gentlemen in question wanted to clear cut one of the islands for cattle ranching. IMO Although I believe that you need to break a few eggs to bake a cake, this just didn’t come across as a good idea in me.

    As Oceanpolis had mentioned the idea of Clipperton island as a seabase, I was intrigued by the idea since it is for sale. http://www.privateislandsonline.com/clipperton-atoll.htm and France once studied the idea of making it a fishing base by opening the atoll to the sea and installing a runway. For reasons unknown at this time, they decided not to go through with it. Interesting, since that area of the Pacific is one of it’s excellent tuna fishing areas. Since France doesn’t make a money off it anyway, a fair and equitable lease offer, with promises of enhancement of the island’s features might work. But with the beginning of Nautilus Explorer offering diving trips there in spring of 2010, environmetalists may try block any bid to open the inner waters of the atoll up to the sea…even though it is dead water IMO(aka, no fish or plant life besides algae)

    Cheers, Katz

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