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    I would imagine the beginnings to be one or two one man seasteads struggling to exist. Maybe a single constructed seastead with a guy living on his sailboat right next to him keeping each other company as people come out periodically to gawk and philosophize in between repairs of leaky toilets and hydroponic systems, keeping a (quickly depleting) bank account at home to get things sent out as needed. Then one or two more seasteads come out as well as a few more boats. One of the first few seasteaders gives it up and goes back to terra for lack of funds and the need to get a job with the promise that “I’ll be back”. People come out periodically to “rough it” in their sailboats or yachts, acting like they’re part of some new community, going back during the week days to go back to work.

    Instead of the beautiful architecture of the pictures we see, it’s like a trailer park of mismatched types of floating vessels tied off in various ways with small dingies used to go visit one another. When it’s sunny, everyone sends pictures back home of how great it is living the good life away from the oppressive governments. During the storms everyone hunkers down and asks themselves how long they can last and maybe they should just take up their buddy’s offer of a job with his company.

    A few more seasteads start coming out, a bit more sturdy this time after learning from the harships of the early adoptors. The wealthy people who live there can only afford it as a vacation home and pay the locals to rent it out for them as a vacation rental when they’re gone. The locals start coming up with some mild entertainment for the tourists as they start struggling for money, running short on supplies.

    People start dropping off, going back to land as more people come out…finally fed up with the world. They go through similar struggles as the others. The nice seasteads pop up a few more and it turns into a unique vacation spot for travelers. A small drug industry crops up and a prostitution ring develops with the local boaters. Small skirmishes break out over who controls the drug and prostitution trade, someone gets killed and the seastead idea takes a turn for the worse. Many people decide to move to go back to land and just live in their boat at a dock, a small group talks about some nicer waters far away and head out that way. The drug and prostitution runners stick close to the nicer seasteads and the owners sell them, disappointed in what came of the whole seasteading ideal.

    A few groups live in their small communities far from where they started, becoming wary of outsiders, getting used to the simple life, adapting to things on their own. They turn more cultish as time goes by, eventually wanting to spread their ideals to others. They piss off a local government who doesn’t like their religious teachings and sends their ships out to sea to arrest them and confiscate their boats.

    The whole idea of seasteading peters out until a wealthy businessman buys up the comapany of the nicer seasteads and builds several of them, about 10 in a small area creating a vacation destination for the rich. Hiring armed guards to keep other vessels from the area. It builds up over time, adding more and more seasteads until it’s a large resort on the seas. People start investing in their own seasteads and try to duplicate the business model with varying successes and the business grows around the world with different types of seastead communities popping up. Resorts, offshore medical procedures, etc. The original dream of seasteads begins to take shape but the main communities are owned and controlled by large corporations while individual seasteads go through similar trials as those of early seasteaders.

    Several books are written about it, each with their own take on the successes and downfalls of seasteading. Nations and the UN end up extending the territory lines to cover all of the world including the seas.

    People start talking about space….

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    #11211
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    I agree, the bathtub testing won’t achieve the final architecture of the seastead. But everyone has a bathtub and it would the easier you make it the more people would get involved and become excited about trying new ideas. $5k to get a lot of people involved in design would be worth it.

    Then you use the publicity to ramp up the next prizes at larger scales. Each one growing larger and closer to the end goal.

    Some high school kid with a free weekend might come up with a new concept that nobody’s thought of before in an attempt to win $5k.

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    #11207
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    wohl1917 wrote:

    Solar distillers i think are the way to go and there are a number of simple DIY designs out there that work very well.

    I’ve checked out solar distillers and wasn’t too impressed. They aren’t so much distillers as they are condensation catchers. The trouble being that they still contain a lot of the bad things in water that you’re trying to get rid of.

    A distiller has to heat water to just below boiling point and expel any gas that might burn up at that temperature. There are many chemicals that burn under water boiling temperature that would stay in the water if you don’t let it escape. Once those are gone, then the temperature is raised to boiling and the water turns to steam and is cooled off to become water again. But you can’t raise the temperature beyond boiling because the chemicals that boil at just above water boiling need to stay in the tank and not turn to gas.

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    #11151
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    I’m surprised that nobody’s mentioned Mythbusters by now. They did a show on pykrete and the aircraft carrier from WWII.

    They did find that it was bullet proof and that it is more solid than ice and that it melts a lot slower than ice.

    They also found that mixing newspapers with ice was actually better and melted a LOT slower than pykrete.

    They made a boat out of newspaper and ice and road it around. It was no longer seaworthy after about an hour in cold Alaskan waters.

    They concluded that the aircraft carrier thing probably wouldn’t work.

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    #11101
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    He also mentions that there will be a devastating WWIII in 2003.

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    #11100
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    elspru wrote:

    If you make it two counter-rotatin flywheels,

    then you could make your seastead into a flying saucer.

    counter-rotation flywheels only cancel each other out. You would want them counter-rotating during calm seas and both pointing toward the waves during rough seas.

    I would actually think having several small flywheels that could be turned automatically would be best. With their energy storing capability they would be quite an asset.

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    #11082
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    Adams Seamount is a submarine volcano above the Pitcairn hotspot in the central Pacific Ocean about 90 kilometres (56 mi) southwest of Pitcairn Island.

    It is a massive seamount rising 3,500 metres (11,483 ft) from the sea floor to about 59 metres (194 ft) below the surface of the ocean.

    The volcano hasn’t had activity since 50 BC.

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