I though about doing something along those lines, with connections between spars either at the height of the deck, at sea level (possibly floating) or below sea level. One problem is that spars will always move vertically to at least a small extent, and will not always do so in unison. So a fixed horizontal walkway or other connection could be ripped apart. One possible alternative would be flexible suspension bridges joining seasteads together. These would be OK for wakng on, but difficult to drive vehicles across, if that was necessary. Other options could include floating walkways or roadways joining the spars.
Good points, I agree completely on most of it. The connections will need to work rather like a shock absorber on a car, as well as having joints at the point of connection permitting movement up, down, left and right (essentially a ball joint I guess or something to that effect).
More couplings (diagonally) might be neccessary to keep the entire structure from folding or collapsing like a scissor. Or perhaps it´s more efficient to use another layout, with three couplings at 120 degrees apart for instance.
Suspension bridges - depends on what you mean. A rope bridge won´t do because we need to keep minimum distance as well as maximum. Unless there was a frame of sorts outside the whole "forest" that pulled on the outer layer of spars.
The "shock absorber" type connection could be made to telescope (like a shock absorber, duh) and the joint between the halves could be made like the surface of an escalator to avoid injuries to pedestrians and making walking and driving easier in rough seas.
Floating connections - I don´t know, it seems like they would get submerged by waves. Can´t really see any benefits either.
I guess the amount of wave action this arrangement could suffer without breaking or letting the spars collide is the big question. If one would need to disconnect frequently due to bad weather that might be a showstopper. If connections are needed below the sea that might be too much hassle as well .
It looks pretty calm in spite of the large waves. I like how the structure sort of goes with the flow. This should enable building lighter and cheaper than if the legs were rigidly connected to the platform.
To be quite honest my proposal was intended as a community of several family size spars rather than one entity. If this is even a useful distinction. Oh well they have similarities anyway.
Is the VersaBuoy system a new find or have you considered it previously and decided against it, for seastead use? I don´t recall seeing it in the book earlier.
edit: Those big couplings look expensive though. I wonder if you could make them cheaper somehow. A big chunk of rubber should be able to bend in a similar fashion. Sounds a bit too easy though, the VersaBuoy people would have thought of that, right?
It's almost a tensegrity structure, save for the shearing on the upper platform from the differential heaving of the buoys. I would suggest replacing the fixed, bulk flat platform with one suspended to interconnected balancing pylons erected from the top of neighbouring buoys, it would compensate the differential heaving by redistributing the vertical load from the lowered buoys to the elevated ones, keeping the platform stabler. I'll try to have a picture of this posted.
Has anyone thought of using ballasted spheres linked together by netting?
The spheres would be large enough for a couple of people, maybe 15 ft in dia. with a lot of ballast in the bottom, any number of them could be linked with stought line (think tugboat hawser) to form a quite wave resistent semi-structure. The spheres would be fairly cheap to mass produce, and the line is all ready available. A family might need 2 spheres, or more, or perhaps just one. People will have to get with the picture of close quarters living on the sea.
Im calm weather, floating walkways *might* be used to connect the round habitats, but why not just use a good kayak or skiff to move around the community...you need things like that anyway to fish from.
The spheres could be detatched easily if you wanted to. They could be altered in shape to make them so they could be towed or self propelled more effectively.
I would imagine that a network of fifty or one hundred of these spheres would be fairly freak-wave proof. Such a network might be one half mile across.
The netting would have an added benefit of providing a place for sea creatures to grow on.
Sea anchores might be attatched to the whole shebang for drift control.
Interesting idea. I think the spheres will bob in the waves quite a bit more than something built on spars though. And there would have to be something to maintain minum distance between spheres other than the rope or they would collide. It probably could be pretty cheap though, and quite resilient, but perhaps a little bumpy when the sea isnt calm.
Just keep the ropes spaced with a strut and they won't collide.
Spheres are probably the most bumpy shape for riding waves, because they hit the water at a right angle in every direction so they get the most transfer of momentum. Or so I think. A sort of hourglass shape might be better at this. A forest of hourglasses ? Or rather, a forest of hyperboloid seasteads.
I think using this strut you mention is easier said than done. The rope cannot be longer than the strut or there will still be impacts whenever the distance between spars/spheres decreases to the strut length. So effectively you´d be joining them with just a rigid strut, without any shock absorption. Now, this might be possible, but anyway it makes the rope redundant.
Unless.... the strut was flexible. Like a large rubber tube with the rope through the middle. Or maybe just a solid rubber cylinder without any rope. But then we´re moving towards a telescoping shock absorber again.
I was really thinking of using more than one struts and more than a pair of ropes, so that the schock absorption is done by the ropes working in tension, sharing the load. As for using a rubber bumper, well, don't boats already do that ?
I think you´re gona have to sketch up that one to explain what you mean.
I think using a single spacer element able to take up tension as well as compression is more efficient than two separate ones.
Boats use fenders. I had something like a rubber truss connected to both modules in mind. I´m really not sure whether this will yield sufficient damping and/or tensile strength though.
Wouldn't that reduce the useful surface on top by a whole lot ? With clearly seperate spars you can extend a net (like they have on multiple hulls sailboats) or build a platform. Also, by making the "feet" spaced you'd get less heave from waves, because they wouldn't be all clumped inside the same big wave or trough.
It would decrease the useful surface space. I would think if you had a rigid platform you would need some pretty big beams from spar to spar if you had any significant distance between them. Then you would also have to join them all along the length all the way to the bottom with x- bracing. Netting could work as long as the nets connection failed first if one spar sunk.
The one advantage I saw to fusing the spars together is if you had 8 or 16 and one took on water, at worst it would be in the corner and it would tilt a little bit. This assumes each is a water tight compartment.
Another altenative would be to arrange them in a circlular pattern; then you would have protected water in the middle. Then you could have simple floating structures in the middle.
You don't need to connect them together all the way down. There's only one need, to connect the top, with a double hinged joint that lets the column tilt. This way you get no shearing at the joint, only compression and tension along the connecting beam.
However joining spars together is a good idea for augmenting the mass and buoyancy of a single spar seastead, individually.
Other reasons why not are that as the structure got wider the impact from waves would increase. I think so anyway, but exactly why this is escapes me at the moment... perhaps because the waves would act similarly on all seasteads at once. Or maybe it wouldn´t.
And if there were windows in the spar most of them would be covered.
Why wouldn´t it be practical at sea? Besides imagine ten spars needing to travel hundreds of miles if one wants to undock. That is clearly not practical. In addition most ports will be way too shallow for a spar buoy to dock.
My ideas for connecting were along similar lines - have telescoping bridges with large springs which would compress as the seasteads were pushed closer together (similar concept to the shock absorbers mentioned). To prevent the seasteads from drifting/being pulled too far from each other, you could have a similar arrangement going the other way. I had envisioned telescoping steel poles w/ wooden planking suitable for pedestrians/bicycles. Aluminum poles would be lighter but not sure if they're strong enough to support the 400' - 500' (122m - 152 m) distances I had figured on using. Would this work?
Stress on connections.
I though about doing something along those lines, with connections between spars either at the height of the deck, at sea level (possibly floating) or below sea level. One problem is that spars will always move vertically to at least a small extent, and will not always do so in unison. So a fixed horizontal walkway or other connection could be ripped apart. One possible alternative would be flexible suspension bridges joining seasteads together. These would be OK for wakng on, but difficult to drive vehicles across, if that was necessary. Other options could include floating walkways or roadways joining the spars.
Good points, I agree
VersaBuoy
Please check out the VersaBuoy system . It looks really nice.
Very nice indeed. Here are
edit: Those big couplings look expensive though. I wonder if you could make them cheaper somehow. A big chunk of rubber should be able to bend in a similar fashion. Sounds a bit too easy though, the VersaBuoy people would have thought of that, right?
Can be improved upon
It's almost a tensegrity structure, save for the shearing on the upper platform from the differential heaving of the buoys. I would suggest replacing the fixed, bulk flat platform with one suspended to interconnected balancing pylons erected from the top of neighbouring buoys, it would compensate the differential heaving by redistributing the vertical load from the lowered buoys to the elevated ones, keeping the platform stabler. I'll try to have a picture of this posted.
and ect.
Has anyone thought of using ballasted spheres linked together by netting?
The spheres would be large enough for a couple of people, maybe 15 ft in dia. with a lot of ballast in the bottom, any number of them could be linked with stought line (think tugboat hawser) to form a quite wave resistent semi-structure. The spheres would be fairly cheap to mass produce, and the line is all ready available. A family might need 2 spheres, or more, or perhaps just one. People will have to get with the picture of close quarters living on the sea.
Im calm weather, floating walkways *might* be used to connect the round habitats, but why not just use a good kayak or skiff to move around the community...you need things like that anyway to fish from.
The spheres could be detatched easily if you wanted to. They could be altered in shape to make them so they could be towed or self propelled more effectively.
I would imagine that a network of fifty or one hundred of these spheres would be fairly freak-wave proof. Such a network might be one half mile across.
The netting would have an added benefit of providing a place for sea creatures to grow on.
Sea anchores might be attatched to the whole shebang for drift control.
Grand Moff
Interesting idea. I think
Interesting idea. I think the spheres will bob in the waves quite a bit more than something built on spars though. And there would have to be something to maintain minum distance between spheres other than the rope or they would collide. It probably could be pretty cheap though, and quite resilient, but perhaps a little bumpy when the sea isnt calm.
Just keep the ropes
Just keep the ropes spaced with a strut and they won't collide.
Spheres are probably the most bumpy shape for riding waves, because they hit the water at a right angle in every direction so they get the most transfer of momentum. Or so I think. A sort of hourglass shape might be better at this. A forest of hourglasses ? Or rather, a forest of hyperboloid seasteads.
I think using this strut
I was really thinking of
I was really thinking of using more than one struts and more than a pair of ropes, so that the schock absorption is done by the ropes working in tension, sharing the load. As for using a rubber bumper, well, don't boats already do that ?
I think you´re gona have
What about making the
What about making the cylindrical spars hexangonal or square in cross section and permanently joining the spars together?
Useful space and stability ?
Wouldn't that reduce the useful surface on top by a whole lot ? With clearly seperate spars you can extend a net (like they have on multiple hulls sailboats) or build a platform. Also, by making the "feet" spaced you'd get less heave from waves, because they wouldn't be all clumped inside the same big wave or trough.
It would decrease the useful
It would decrease the useful surface space. I would think if you had a rigid platform you would need some pretty big beams from spar to spar if you had any significant distance between them. Then you would also have to join them all along the length all the way to the bottom with x- bracing. Netting could work as long as the nets connection failed first if one spar sunk.
The one advantage I saw to fusing the spars together is if you had 8 or 16 and one took on water, at worst it would be in the corner and it would tilt a little bit. This assumes each is a water tight compartment.
Another altenative would be to arrange them in a circlular pattern; then you would have protected water in the middle. Then you could have simple floating structures in the middle.
You don't need to connect
You don't need to connect them together all the way down. There's only one need, to connect the top, with a double hinged joint that lets the column tilt. This way you get no shearing at the joint, only compression and tension along the connecting beam.
However joining spars together is a good idea for augmenting the mass and buoyancy of a single spar seastead, individually.
Other reasons why not are
Other reasons why not are that as the structure got wider the impact from waves would increase. I think so anyway, but exactly why this is escapes me at the moment... perhaps because the waves would act similarly on all seasteads at once. Or maybe it wouldn´t.
Oh, I was not familiar with
Oh, I was not familiar with such an arrangement.
Is joining spars together while at sea practical or would the spars and platforms have to be hauled back to a dock to be joined?
Why wouldn´t it be
Why wouldn´t it be practical at sea? Besides imagine ten spars needing to travel hundreds of miles if one wants to undock. That is clearly not practical. In addition most ports will be way too shallow for a spar buoy to dock.
I asked first.
I asked first.
Ok. Yes, it´s practical.
If you press the reply link your post will end up in the correct subthread btw.
Would you need a crane?
Would you need a crane?
Connections
My ideas for connecting were along similar lines - have telescoping bridges with large springs which would compress as the seasteads were pushed closer together (similar concept to the shock absorbers mentioned). To prevent the seasteads from drifting/being pulled too far from each other, you could have a similar arrangement going the other way. I had envisioned telescoping steel poles w/ wooden planking suitable for pedestrians/bicycles. Aluminum poles would be lighter but not sure if they're strong enough to support the 400' - 500' (122m - 152 m) distances I had figured on using. Would this work?
I think that span is way too
I think that span is way too long. I think around 20'-40' (6m-12m) would be more reasonable with off-the-shelf technology.