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  • #1087
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    Shouri
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    Share your dreams with us about mobile/immobile-permanent seasteads and artifical island colonies dont just say i wanna live in some place where i can be myself true to my instincts or so though, define it, give us examples what the life, society, economy, defence…everything will be like in your seastead. For myself; my political views are weird i know i am not a libertarian or an anarchist that is for sure but i don’t even know what my ideaology is called but i like to call it ‘innovative representation’. It somehow reminds communism in some ways but i see it more similar to governing bodies of some companies in the globe especially in Japan. So please share what you have in mind about my ideas and yours…

    -Utku Mun

    #8142
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    Orb Union Summary: Located in southern Atlantic this mini island society is a giant investment. Governed by 10 representetives, this place is a heaven of healthy freedom with a unique understanding of governing, eco friendly, humane, modern… Constructed on artifically created islands on a seamount. Orb Union’s economy relies on Medical Science/Manufacture, Information Technologies, Cultivation and processesing of various algae types such as kelp, spirulina also some halophytes and almost all types of aquaculture. There are a few high technology methods being used for regular farming too but it has no real impact on their economy. Energy is gained through solar panels, wind mills and some unorthodox methods.

    Life in Orb:

    Education: Citizens are taught the importance of our ideology and ecology at a young age(5-10) and they go through a rather complicated primary school system where they’ll be taught basic sicence, mathematics, human relations, geography, late history, swimming… In (10-14 age)schools they are taught the basics of aquaculture and viable irrigation systems along with modern science, mathemtaics, geology, philosophy&religions, socialogy and history of the world/civilization. Educational staff then enourages a certain profession the citizen should focus on to the student after a through observation and a converisation with the student. Then academic education begins(14-20), further improving the citizens profession and culture level.

    Code of Laws: Citizens who are well versed in understanding human nature and society thanks to their education uncounciously adheres to the laws of the state since they have been taught the reasoning of every single law in the society all through their educational life. (Details of the Laws will be explained in a later comment)

    Social Life: Every citizen(students excluded) works for 6 hours a day according to law. Since citizens will be busy working on their familystead farms in certain days in certain seasons those days working hours change as well as on national holidays. Law states that there is a minimum to sport activities so all citizens dedicate an hour of their day to certain sports. Also since citizens are responsible for most of their food supplies they must spend some time working on their farm time to time. Since citizen have a long recreational time they are mostly encouraged to do more sport activities or to working longer then required for extra funds, (working more than 10 hours is strictly forbidden) still citizens are free to do whatever they want in 10 hours they have as recreational time (remaining 7 hours must be spent resting according to law). (More Details will be explained in a later comment)

    Economy: Economical structure of the Orb greatly differs from other nations. There is no tax or similar concept, there is no wage or similar concept, every citizen is a shareholder in the company they work in. Government also holds a certain amount of shares in every company based on islands and uses these funds for the needs of islands. Government is responsible of giving a report regarding to their monthly income and expenditures to public. (More Details will be explained in a later comment)

    Defence: Orb Union is strictly against any kind of armament use inside and outside their respective political borders. Thus there isn’t any military facility attached and there is no army. In case of emergencies contracted mercenary forces and UN will be contacted. There is a permanent police force based on islands trained solely in martial arts and club use.

    so on…

    #8143
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    Additional Notes:

    Law&Economy: Citizens own their familysteads and the shares of companies given to them upon becoming a citizen. Every citizen has a right to reannounce their citizenship anytime and leave with their belongings and familystead but reannouncing citizenship will nullify the individuals right of ownership on the shares. Private profit organization establishment on the islands of Orb is strictly forbidden. Every company or similar establishment belongs to their respective shareholders government of Orb and citizens of Orb in general. Shares on local companies can not be bought or sold. If the annual income excesses expenditures remaining funds are used to buy shares on international companies and the shares are given to government and citizens as if it was a local company. Same laws regarding to local companies apply to these companies’ shares.

    Language:English as native language, citizens are taught Japanese in primary school along with English. Two of the following languages French, Spanish, German, Chinese, Russian will be taught through education program to each and every citizen.

    Law&Religion: Citizens are free to choose and worship any religion they want if they ever want. Media and Public propaganda and advertisement about any idea involving worship to any known or new religion is strictly forbidden. Citizens are only free in their worhsip in their residental area. Involving work and education with religion is strictly forbidden.

    #8145
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    Our ideal? Any seastead we can sail up to, tie off, and hang out.

    http://seagypsies-mikeandkatie.blogspot.com/

    Taking our cue from the Eskimos, we boat people have over 30 words for “leak.”

    #8146
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    That is the small scale target of the project and it is for sure tto be the sector which will lead the way. That said, purpose of seasteads must not be same with a yacht since in that case people will simply go for a yacht…

    To be honest i don’t believe family sized seasteads aiming for highseas will be acknowledged in the market since i dont see a possibility for it to be safer than yacht and still be cost effective. As Patri mentioned frontier will be Floating Hotels for the technology i totaly agree, no other industry than Tourism (they are already investing in floating/sea/underwater Hotels n such in Dubai, Fiji, Istanbul) would invest in such an unorthodox method.

    #8149
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    I have to disagree! The only true seasteaders in the world today are already doing it and they’re doing on YACHTS! Big ones, small ones or what ever literally ‘floats they’re boat’ but they’re doing it! They’re doing it NOW! The market place WILL acknowledge them eventually or they will build their seastead/seastations them selves as places to sail too. Towns and economic centers on the High Seas for the pioneers that are already there…

    < http://ocr.wikia.com/wiki/Oceanic_Citizens_Republic_Wiki>

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    I am not saying there wont be towns and market places in high seas, on the contrary m saying the same thing as you are, there will be towns, but it will be a single structure( a large one not a smal yacht sized)

    #8151
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    Doesnt seem like we have the same conception of utopia, but then again, yours is welcome in the Nozickian ‘utopia of utopia’s’.

    Overall, you seem to have a very positivist attitude towards morality and law. Its only a matter of figuring out the right ones, and then just bring the happy gospel.

    Thats the fundament of our disagreement, i suppose.

    #8153
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    Eh i don’t actually think my utopia iz Nozickian though upon reading that much about my utopia it is only natural for you to think that way, since i didn’t go into detail about anything. My idea of Laws are actually limiting personal freedom insanely (no smoking, no alcohol, no prostution, high age of consent, no obesity etc, basic crimes are punished by certain increase[temporary] in workhours, direst crimes theft, treason, murder are punished with either exile or jail) but thing is citizens will be drawn from likeminded people so i dont think it will really be a problem.

    #8154
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    but thing is citizens will be drawn from likeminded people so i dont think it will really be a problem.

    Thats precisely what makes it a Nozickian utopia. That you arnt interested in personal freedom; that much was obvious from the things you wrote.

    #8159
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    Shouri you seem to have specific ideas about what you think everyone should live like, and seem to want to heavily regulate exactly how people live their lives

    What makes you think anybody is going to want to join your seastead? Even the most oppressive governments of today don’t force people to excercise.

    Also what makes you think you can have a prosperous society without money and wages? As far as I know there are no examples of a technologically advanced society that prosperered without money.

    I’m also curious as to what Treason is on a seastead?

    #8160
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    kulak wrote:

    Shouri you seem to have specific ideas about what you think everyone should live like, and seem to want to heavily regulate exactly how people live their lives

    What makes you think anybody is going to want to join your seastead?

    Residual Stockholm Syndrome? ;-)

    http://seagypsies-mikeandkatie.blogspot.com/

    Taking our cue from the Eskimos, we boat people have over 30 words for “leak.”

    #8161
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    “My idea of Laws are actually limiting personal freedom insanely (no smoking, no alcohol, no prostution, high age of consent, no obesity etc,”

    And, let me guess, you will be King, yeah? Why call it Orb,…better Saudi Atlantica.

    Suggestions: Don’t forget NO voting, NO civil liberties, NO drugs, NO freedom of speach or press or any other. Also, I would highly recommend a 30 ft. electric fence (10,000.00 volts or more) surrunding the Orb since there will be a mass exodus of people from all over the word trying to join your Gulag,…

    Where do I sign up?

    #8162
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    Hey, it’s his stead. His rules. If someone wants a neo-Taliban at sea, well…that’s a great place for it as long as all the residents are there by choice.

    I’ll wave as I sail by…with a smoke in one hand and a cocktail in the other, pooching out my beergut. My wife will wear her finest Tijuana garb. Can’t think of a way to flaunt our age of consent; we’re both comfortably in the middle-aged demographic. But I’ll research the possibilities in-depth.

    http://seagypsies-mikeandkatie.blogspot.com/

    Taking our cue from the Eskimos, we boat people have over 30 words for “leak.”

    #8166
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    Everybody here has a personal oppinion of what a seastead should be like,…I am not sure if one of the goverment role is to protect us from ourselves. But I firmly belive that Freedom defined is Freedom denied.

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