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  • #1735
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    Thinker_Jesse
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    I’m wondering how many people would be interested a quick first dtep to mostly independent to seasteading. The quickest and least idealistic aproach to a first step, in my opinion, would be a converted or specially designed cargo ship. From what I can see cargo ships are the closest thing to a seastead that has a freedom of movement before you start considering military ships. A cargo ship also provides a basic, proven, hull concept that can be modified to fit the needs of the people who would call it home and give them the widest range of options to provide goods and/or services that would be of value to various parts of the world.

    #16826
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    i hope you have a financial plan for the small amount of 80.000 USD / day that the maintenance shedule of a cargo ship requires … can we hear about it? – how will you distribute that cost to the inhabitants in terms of cost per squaremeter living space per day….

    #16832
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    i hope you have a financial plan for the small amount of 80.000 USD / day that the maintenance shedule of a cargo ship requires … can we hear about it? – how will you distribute that cost to the inhabitants in terms of cost per squaremeter living space per day….

    Firfst off I thought this forum was for the purpose of generating ideas and working together to find new inovative solutions. That being said I don’t see it writen anywhere that says I have to have all of the ideas needed to bring a functioning seastead to the market. I’m not here to pitch business modles only provide my thoughts on what kind of steps can be made towards the goal of modular seasteads and the technologies that will be needede to suport them. I for one doubt the cost efectiveness of continuing to rely on fossile fuels, considering that if you have a succesful seastead your most likely going to have to rely on a foreign supply to meet energy needs, if your not thinking of alternate energy sources that have redundancy to make up for the inconsistant suply.

    Second when working with a ship where space is limited you have to think in cubic feet/meters. That being said a working seastead isn’t going to be like a cruise line where only some people work all the time and the majority of the people get to enjoy the day sunbathing. Sure it’s best to make room for visitors that may temporarily rent a space with no intention of preforming a job while aboard. While not everyone would need to contribute to the day to day running and maintnace of any type of seastead, those jobs are positions that need to be filled no matter what kind of form your talking about. Without proper maintnace the vessel you choose to make a home out of will sink beneath the waves and not return to the surface.

    Thirdly you seem to be thinking awfully two dimensional with regards to a seasteads economy. There is no writen law that says the relationship between the person running the seastead and the inhabitants needs to be one of landlord and tenant. I prefer a modle closser to that of a corporation with elected executive staff that run the seastead. With the inhabitants being shareholders and voters. The shipboard economy would be entirly seperate from that of the economy between the seastead and any port it calls on. The one exception is that the profits above operating costs are divided equally amongst the residents to be used in any manner they see fit. People acctually preforming a job aboard ship would be given a basic housing alotment and a share of the food. Extra space can be bought by contributing to the ships general fund, so long as space is available. If space isn’t available that money goes into a fund to build a new ship, whther it be a sister ship or a larger ship the whole or part of the population moves to.

    Lastly when the settlers moved to the American west do you think they expected to be living in a 4 bedroom house. If they didn’t have land of their own they either slept outside or rented a room at a hotel. Those that did have land in the mid west didn’t have a ready supply of lumber so they built their homes from sod cuttings, where do you think the term sod busters comes from. Settling new teritory has never been easy or ideal. The apeal is more in the freedom that distance offers and the peace of mind in knowing that for the most part people who made the same move are there for the same reasons and aren’t looking to take what’s rightfully yours. If we spend all of our time debating the best way to the perfect plan the world will pass us by, because some times getting your hands dirty and doing something even if it’s wrong is at least making progress. As the popular sayings go rome wasn’t built in a day and Edison didn’t invent the lightbulb on the first try. The more options we try the better our chances of finding a solution that works, even if it means taking parts from various failed attempts to make one success.

    #16833
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    Thanks for the link John, I already looked through it once before you added it here. I agree with you that events of late are a call for those with the ability to stand up for others to do so and create, or atempt to create a place where everyone can be trully equal.

    #16858
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    Why
    1: large deck to build modules on
    2: large area for hydroponics in ship
    3: heavy cranes to lower modules
    4: easy to purchase (but not cheap)
    5: heavy crane to raise fish cages to harvest

    Cost
    not sure where the 80000 USD came from, but that means a ship from long beach to china on a 19 day journey would cost the company just in maintenance would cost 1.5 million USD. Or is fuel in that 80000 usd cost. Does it include fuel Ellmar?

    #16861
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    I do agree with your line of thought, it echos mine,…

    “I prefer a model closser to that of a corporation with elected executive staff that run the seastead. With the inhabitants being shareholders and voters. The shipboard economy would be entirly seperate from that of the economy between the seastead and any port it calls on. The one exception is that the profits above operating costs are divided equally amongst the residents to be used in any manner they see fit. People acctually preforming a job aboard ship would be given a basic housing alotment and a share of the food. Extra space can be bought by contributing to the ships general fund, so long as space is available. If space isn’t available that money goes into a fund to build a new ship, whther it be a sister ship or a larger ship the whole or part of the population moves to.”

    “If we spend all of our time debating the best way to the perfect plan the world will pass us by, because some times getting your hands dirty and doing something even if it’s wrong is at least making progress. As the popular sayings go rome wasn’t built in a day and Edison didn’t invent the lightbulb on the first try. The more options we try the better our chances of finding a solution that works, even if it means taking parts from various failed attempts to make one success.”

    In terms of the vessel to be used, a ferryboat conversion to seastead will be better than a cargoship, IMHO.

    http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/cache/searchResults.jsp?cit=true&slim=quick&ybw=&sm=3&searchtype=advancedsearch&Ntk=boatsEN&Ntt=&is=&man=ferry&hmid=0&ftid=0&enid=0&fromLength=100&toLength=180&luom=126&fromYear=&toYear=&fromPrice=100000&toPrice=500000&currencyid=100&city=&pbsint=&boatsAddedSelected=-1

    #16841
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    Jesse. The link is just a tag, a ‘soft sell’ if you will, for the Republic. As for ‘equality’, while all are equal in the eyes of God and should be equal before the Laws of Man, it doesn’t seem to work out that way. Even in the Republic there is a definite stratification of ‘We the People’ into those who step up and assume the duty and responsibility of command and those who do not. No One is ‘more equal’ before the Law but rank has it’s privileges…

    < http://ocr.wikia.com/wiki/Oceanic_Citizens_Republic_Wiki>

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    I hadn’t thought of going as small as a ferryboat conversion, so in my own way I was getting a bit idealistic. You are probably right that a ferryboat conversion would be better as a place to start. It would be interesting to see what other ideas you have on what a nomadic ship could do to bring in money aside from just trading goods between ports. If nothing else you’ve all given me some new information to think over and will hopefully have new ideas of my own by the time the bring the forums back online.

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