I thought if there isn’t already one, it would be a good thing for developing certain anchored structures, to create a World Map of sea areas 50ft deep (or less), which are in international waters?
Surely there would be much current (but also lot’s of fish), but imagine anchored rigid structures acting as “one part” of a seasteading society, which would be “relativly easy” to “occupie” …if there would be rocks above the water, it surely wouldnt be “international” and at least one country has it already.
As said, this idea is not meant “instead” of free floating seasteads, but additionally.
I wonder if you could plug into google earth or something to that effect a formula
ie draw chart or identify areas that are
200+ miles from any shore or island and lett than 50′ in water depth.
there has got to be some information on that someplace. im suprised no one has responede to you in all these months
George – my discussion forum – http://outpostalpha.com
I posted a bunch of links in an old thread HERE. It has Google Earth KMZ files which show all locations with an ocean depth less than 100m and 400m.
Also included are storm wave height and EEZ overlays.
View both the 100m and EEZ overlay and you can quickly see all shallow areas outside the reach of existing nations.
If we develop seasteading methods for “special shallow spots” it will only be possible at 0,001% of the ocean. The idea of seasteading is settle on the 95% of the blue planet that are “general waterspace not used until now” – this makes special point seasteading somehow pointless. If you can not do it everywhere on the ocean why bother to do it in first place? – anchoring in mid ocean depth is no problem – oil industry is doing it on almost dayly base today – the cost of the anchor rig is only 10% of the structure cost. The idea that it is impossible or extremly expensive comes from obsolete textbooks written 50 years ago.
Wil
concretesubmarine.com
Speacial shallow spots suit better to seasteading than land though, and we aren’t intending to build an oil platform as far as i know so structure cost example was irrelevant(though it has a nice point i don’t we think there are many individuals who can afford the 10% structural cost of an offshore oil platform 
. I agree that seasteading in open ocean is doable too otherwise we wouldn’t be wrting/reading/planning/dreaming here. But i didn’t know how to run when i was just born while others who were already older did, my lack of experience in ocean and my passion for sea floor and reefs and most importantly amount of money i posess or at best can possibly posess makes my head turn to a fiber yacht which won’t make any difference in my lifestyle or ‘speacial shallow spots’. I’d rather walk around a mountain than climbing it to reach the village behind it. I don’t know i think it is common sense to start things the easy way if possible, thats why we are currently living on land afterall. Why bother to do it? well to put it shortly i don’t want to pay taxes anymore. Ofcourse there are more reasons though if all i wanted was to escape from taxes, i could devise other ways probably. I don’t know how to phrase it perfectly but i think this should do it, none of the cultures around suit me, when i behave according to my own code/culture/justice my life gets harder since society usually alienates individuals who tend to act different than tradition. I don’t want to pretend to be someone that i am not in order to do business. If you want to be yourself instead of using masks(persona) in social interactions you must find a culture suitable to your ideals, if there isn’t such a place you can either become schizophrenic and lose your real self(sanity) at some point or create your own society, i am hoping i’ll be able to do the latter. So for you seasteads are swimming residences which you can surivive even in ocean, ok i buy that but i am ok with anywhere as long as i can materialize my ideals and create my own society since it is almost impossible to do it on land i’d go for highseas. I am sure first immigrants to America settled in fertile lands or lands rich in precious ores not in barren land with less resources to offer(it was always the same for colonization not only America), for me a large shallow spot in ocean with a geothermal vent is similar to an oasis in a desert. We aren’t looking for adventure, we are looking for somewhere to live, that presently doesn’t exist. I am not intending to take over %70 of the world afterall why would i/we feel the need to colonize every square meter on this planet?
I respect you as a technician Wil and i am aware that people like you contribute alot to this cause though i don’t think your attitude is of a seasteaders(i don’t mean any offense in any way, and this sentence is baed on my personal view of seasteading) Seastead-er, ‘er’ doesn’t mean the one who ‘builds’ or ‘sells’ but ‘lives in’ it/her. While i always read what you write i’ve never once felt that you would actually feel like living on a small seastead permanently(i don’t know why, just a hunch perhaps and i also feel like you would like to live in a large seastead where you can continue your job, to build, repair and sell submarines/seasteads). This is possibly due to your technical personality, i don’t know about your ideals anyway you contribute to technical subjects on engineering and design rather than political debates.
Last Note: I agree on obsolete textbooks in some stuff, it is doable yet it is extremely expensive(since in order to float on ocean safely/comfy structure must be really big) , though i also agree that if we live in a submarine it is alot cheaper since we wouldn’t need such mass and volume for safety and comfort issues, however i can’t imagine a self sustaining submarine(my bad) i don’t think an efficient self sustaining system can be created underground or water, unless we are moored/built on/in some natural resource reserve which will supply us with sufficient power(even in underwater habitats and submarines it comes to special spots if we are really looking for to create a sustainable society). If we become dependent on land nations for everything other than what we sell, we’ll become labour slaves of those nations eventually since people/nations tend to exploit each others weaknesses especially in war and business).Sorry for the irrelevant content…
Shoredweller you should really use the files the smith linked, they give a pretty good insight. Sadly it’s a fact that most of seafloor data is being kept secret so we either go for spots we can find with our current data or research seafloor by our own means which is not quite feasible unless you make some governmental agencies pay for it in exchange for data.
” i don’t think an efficient self sustaining system can be created underground or water, unless we are moored/built on/in some natural resource reserve which will supply us with sufficient power(even in underwater habitats and submarines it comes to special spots if we are really looking for to create a sustainable society). If we become dependent on land nations for everything other than what we sell, we’ll become labour slaves of those nations eventually since people/nations tend to exploit each others weaknesses especially in war and business).”
I would have to agree with Shouri, seamounts can provide the resources needed to become a thriving sea stead community, and for now – is the best way for seasteaders to make money – in MY opinion. As you know, “Seamounts are abundant, and all have metal resource potential because of various enrichment processes during the seamount’s life. Hydrogenic Iron-manganese, hydrothermal iron oxide, sulfide, sulfate, sulfur, hydrothermal manganese oxide, and phosphorite are all mineral resources that are founded by various processes and deposited upon seamounts.” Seamounts are also a great source of fish.
Now i’m not talking about building an artificial island over a seamount, a floating seastead IS the most cost efficient way to accomplishing a sea based community. Being in a shallow area EARLY ON, not only earns us money in some cases, but it’s also much safer.
I thought there were no fish out in the middle of the ocean, just transients. Unless you are near a seamount or other upwelling. i remember in the beginning here, we talked about seeding with iron to grow out the wildlife…..
The idea of mineral mining is good, but would just do ionics, lithium and magnesium , and maybe Platinum group metals. Almost all lithium is processed from seawater, and sitting over a hydro vent would prob be much higher percentage. Demand for lithium is going thru the roof…..
Take away the standing of corporations – http://movetoamend.org/get-involved
From my studies I’ve found that anything that drifts, or possibly anchored out the the deep ocean where comercial fishing isn’t practicle, collects around it it’s own mini ecosystem. If this floating structure were big enough, along with a bit of husbandry and cultivation on the part of the residents, you could live on what you grew!
< http://ocr.wikia.com/wiki/Oceanic_Citizens_Republic_Wiki>
Need to avoid Hypoxic areas that develope both naturally and with pollution. Need oxygen in the water to provide an environment suitable for long-term ecosystems…
Later,
J.L.F.
Never be afraid to try something new…
Remember, amateurs built the ark, professionals built the Titanic.
I posted a bunch of links in an old thread HERE. It has Google Earth KMZ files which show all locations with an ocean depth less than 100m and 400m.
Also included are storm wave height and EEZ overlays.
View both the 100m and EEZ overlay and you can quickly see all shallow areas outside the reach of existing nations.
The kmz files don’t seem to be publicly available anymore. Can you repost them again, please?
I’ve reposted the files with new permanent links to my Dropbox, so they should never expire. Enjoy.
I’ve reposted the files with new permanent links to my Dropbox, so they should never expire. Enjoy.
Thank you very much, they all worked for me.
Another question, though. Two of the kmz files don’t seem to be showing any data for me, the 2 SeaAroundUS 400m and 100m. I have them checked ‘on’, but the globe doesn’t have any changes that I can see. I’ve turned them off and on many times, and I don’t see any differences. Would you please explain what I’m doing wrong? I’d love to see the 100m areas, espescially.
Weird, they both worked fine for me.
In Google Earth, click File and then Open… and select the KMZ file. It will now appear in your Temporary Places as a folder titled “SeaAroundUs Seamount Database – under 100m depth.kmz”. If you put a check in the box next to it you should see a bunch of dots appear on the globe. If you zoom in you should see they all have numbers.
Check around Micronesia there should be TONS there.
If you still don’t see them, make sure the subfolders are also checked.
I just did the above procedure on both files and they worked fine. If it still doesn’t work for you maybe there is a style issue? Right-click on the main folder and select Properties. Go to the “Style, Color” tab and click the “Share Style” button. Set the color, scale, and opacity to something you want. You can also change the icon at this stage by clicking the icon button in the upper-right of the window. Choose a different icon and they should all change in realtime.
i_is_j_smith 1 year, 6 months ago.
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