Workshop Topics for conference
August 25, 2008 at 7:36 pm #675
Here are our current ideas for workshop topics at the conference. Please use this thread to suggest others, discuss these, and help us prioritize.
August 26, 2008 at 12:39 pm #3623
- Business plan for seastead resort
- Marketing/PR: how to make our ideas sticky
- Transitions: How to provide an incremental path for people to transition from land to seastead life?
- Ephemerisle: Make it happen in 2009!
- Seastead design: What will the structure be and how does that impact other issues?
- Location: Where should the first seastead be located (or what’s its migration path)?
- Transportation: How to get to/from (helicopters are slow, but planes are hard to land. boats are slow. What are our best options?)
- Government/Organization: What are good forms of seastead government for individual seasteads? How to organize multiple seasteads?
- International relations: trade, defense, international acceptation of seastead (and its currency and documents.
It seems like a complete list to me.
Personally, i feel Government/Organization is the most pivotal topic, everything else is a means to an end. Id be very interested to see what people have to say about this, and how much common ground there is.
Further, i feel that design/engineering is an important topic, in the sense that this is where a lot of work still lies ahead, but that may just be my own bias talking.August 26, 2008 at 4:08 pm #3626
I have to disagree. The design/engineering is the main thing. The politics and rules (as well as most of the other issues metioned by Patri) will be worked out automatically by individual seastead operators once TSI has developed the knowhow on building something that physically floats and works.August 26, 2008 at 4:58 pm #3629
Well, we agree that the engineering is the most pressing issue, and i agree, once that is solved, the rest will follow.
But still, its a means to an end. The goal is political change. And i feel it will make for more interesting discussion: everybody can contribute, and im very interested in what everybody thinks.August 26, 2008 at 6:30 pm #3633
Since most of the TSI engineering is being done in secret, it is not making for interesting discussion. I kind of worry that the most pressing and important problem is being worked on in secret. Does not use the abilities of this collection of interested people well. I think this reduces the chances of TSI making it. But the forums and wiki are still good for the rest of us to work together.
I think patents are a non-issue for international vessels and the downside of secrecy is much worse than any potential upside of patents.August 26, 2008 at 7:31 pm #3634
In my experience, political discussions are rarely productive. If you are discussing with opponents they never see the light, and if you discuss with people of similar convictions, what´s the point?
Politics that have direct bearing on engineering decisions (such as where to build the first seastead, or patents…) needs to be dealt with though.August 26, 2008 at 7:44 pm #3635
I agree. This is a problem. Someone please remind me why TSI needs patents again. From reading this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_to_file_and_first_to_invent , the US has a “first to invent” system which in my mind should make things unpatentable if the first inventor (TSI) releases them into the public domain.August 26, 2008 at 8:03 pm #3638
Well, I expect ‘similar’ convictions, but still plenty of room for discussion. Even if the outcome is that we were in perfect agreement all along, id consider that very valuable information. But i doubt that. From experience, id expect most people to approach matters in a ‘normative’ fashion. Maybe i can get them to see the merits of the ‘positive’ angle, who knows. Either way, id like to get a better feel for what kind of people are attracted to this project.August 26, 2008 at 8:08 pm #3639
The idea is to have bargaining chips if there is some offshore patent that wed like to use.
Im not sure if its worth aiming for either, id be inclined to think it takes more resources than TSI got to play that game effectively.August 26, 2008 at 10:41 pm #3640
Personally I don´t care that much about peoples motivations. I expect people will use seasteads for alls sorts of reasons, good and bad. Thought the net result will in the end be the general advancement of human civilization.August 26, 2008 at 10:47 pm #3641
Bargaining chips, right… Ok, I see the point, but I also hardly think it will be worthwhile.
Is a non-profit organization even allowed to do this? I mean the whole point of a patent is to enable the inventor to profit, right?August 27, 2008 at 10:35 am #3644
Well, i suppose you can have revenue generating activities as a non profit, as long as there is no profit at the bottomline.August 27, 2008 at 1:45 pm #3647
1. Overall vision and mission are important – perhaps a keynote address discussing DG and political considerations, and how seasteads fit into the overall vision. Other political discussions should be handled offline as pre-arranged or impromptu gatherings outside the structure of the conference.
2. I like the workshop topics mentioned, and would allow people to pick/choose among, say, 2 or 3 going on at the same time, while still allowing time for the presenters to attend other workshops of interest.
3. Priorities need to be 1) how do we get started, and 2) how do we get others involved (including, e.g. engineers, builders, investors, financiers, etc.). I concur that design/engineering is a critical part of this, but I think also that Vince has the right idea w/ experimenting and trying to find a practical way to start having others pay for this, so I think discussion of business ideas of how to use the seasteads once built should figure highly as a topic of interest. Sorry, Patri, but I see Ephemerisle, transportation, and government/international relations issues as taking a back seat to the rest. Not that they couldn’t be workshops, but I see the goal of getting a working seastead built and making money as the most important thing right now in an incremental approach. PR/Marketing will be important in all of this, as well, but perhaps will be worked out w/ a good business plan. I think the other topics will be more relevant in future years.
4. I would also suggest a workshop topic on experimentation (perhaps led by Vince) and how to diffuse it to more of the membership. Specific topics (or this might be better for a wiki) could deal with properties of different materials, what to avoid and why, etc. I think we already have an excellent discussion on this underway, but perhaps synthesize it? Also, how about some hands-on experimentation in the bay there? Granted, we wouldn’t want to get in the water in October, but maybe someone could bring/rent a canoe/kayak to facilitate taking out into the bay.
That’s it for now. dArtAugust 27, 2008 at 10:59 pm #3651
In terms of using people’s abilities, we feel that the engineering is best done by professional naval architects with experience in designing offshore platforms. So I don’t know that there is a lot the community can add to structure design.
Wayne & I have deeply ambivalent feelings about patents. Generally, we don’t like them, but Wayne thinks it is important to have them for defensive purposes. But you may be right about international vessels, we will have to look into it.
I assure you that Wayne & I find limitations on what we can talk about to be very annoying, and not how we’d prefer the organization to operate!August 27, 2008 at 11:00 pm #3652
Great ideas! You make good points in #3, I’ll have to ponder it.
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