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Who's excitement in TSI comes from an interest in SEASTEADING?

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  • #1202
    Avatar of Altaica
    Altaica
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    What is “Seasteading”?
    From TSI’s intro:
    Seasteading is creating permanent dwellings on the ocean – homesteading the high seas. A seastead, like in the picture to the right, is a structure meant for permanent occupation on the ocean.

    From TSI’s FAQ:
    “Seasteading” is homesteading on the high seas. In other words, building permanent dwellings on the ocean. A seastead is a structure specifically designed for the purpose of long-term living in the marine environment. On the right you can see our engineers initial design for a 200-guest resort, and you can read about designs in our book or on our Engineering page.

    “Seasteading” is NOT ‘Living and working on an offshore platform out at sea.’

    If you are interested in ‘Living and working on an offshore platform out at sea.’ you should look into offshore oil/natural gas industries.

    I know it’s hard to believe but they have being doing that since the 1930s! :)

    #9670
    Avatar of Carl-Pålsson
    Carl-Pålsson
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    So, if someone on a seastead does any work, or makes any money, it suddenly ceases to be a seastead?

    Seasteads should only be for “living”, where “living” means existing without doing anything productive?

    And you’d have to commute to elsewhere to pay the bills?

    Please explain more specifically what is and isn’t allowed under your definition of a seastead.

    #9672
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    xns
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    Apologies, but I’m failing to see the OPs’ point… Mind you, I’m someone who’s making this post from a floating, working platform 3km from the mainland…

    King Shannon of the Constitutional Monarchy of Logos.

    #9677
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    tusavision
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    xnsdvd wrote:

    Apologies, but I’m failing to see the OPs’ point… Mind you, I’m someone who’s making this post from a floating, working platform 3km from the mainland…

    King Shannon of the Constitutional Monarchy of Logos.

    What type of vessle?

    #9678
    Avatar of Pastor_Jason
    Pastor_Jason
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    Neither am I. I had spent a ton of time and resources working towards homesteading but kept finding that homesteading didn’t meet all of my needs. Seasteading offers the additional freedom I was looking for and so my efforts turned to this path instead. Since the inception of seasteading there have been two trains of thought, one large scale the other small scale. Seastead Outpost: Belize was my small scale answer to a large scale need. Still could work but my attention has completely turned toward a small scale answer at this point. For those of you new to these lines of thought, small scale focuses on supplying for individuals and families, large scale focuses on floating whole communities.

    A small scale answer needs to be sustainable. In other words, it’s not enough for me to just float myself with bare minimums. I need to be able to do more than survive, I need to thrive and keep a wife and several children afloat with me. Additionally I need to be able to provide a floating solution for when they grow and are old enough to float on their own and make families for themselves. Sure we might float together, but we’ll all need our own floats. My answer has narrowed down elegantly. Concrete subs give us everything we could want on a seastead and can be constructed at sea, providing us with the ability to create solutions for our progeny. So begins a new gypsy movement… and I’m quite excited.

    Live Well!

    -Jason

    #9696
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    Thorizan
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    That’s right along my thoughts on this subject, too, Jason. Glad to see you posting again, it’s been too long.

    :)

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    #9698
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    xns
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    Tsuavision, it’s not a vessel, it’s a floating platform made up of barrels and wood. A fish farm actually, locally known as a “Kelong”

    King Shannon of the Constitutional Monarchy of Logos.

    #9728
    Avatar of Altaica
    Altaica
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    Carl wrote:

    So, if someone on a seastead does any work, or makes any money, it suddenly ceases to be a seastead?

    No.

    Carl wrote:
    Seasteads should only be for “living”, where “living” means existing without doing anything productive?

    Seastead should be your permanent residence. Not someplace you only live at while working.

    If not then why are not oil rigs considered Seasteads?

    A lot of people here seem to think ‘seastead==offshore platform’

    The only successful seasteading I know about is done on boats.

    Οὐκ ἐμεῦ ἀλλá½° τοῦ λá½¹γου ἀκοá½»σαντας ὁμολογá½³ειν σοφá½¹ν ἐστι, ἓν πá½±ντα εἶναι.

    #9731
    Avatar of Carl-Pålsson
    Carl-Pålsson
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    Ok, I think I see what you mean.

    I think introducing new business forms to the ocean will serve the same purpose as seasteading in the long run, though. Even if nobody lives on them permanently. A floating hospital or car assembly plant for instance might not technically be a seastead, but it will likely serve the seasteading cause.

    #9732
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    xns
    Participant

    So… if I live and work in the same place… how exactly do you define that? And… I’m still not sure what the message you’re trying to get across is. And, why are you excluding the concept of sovereignty?

    King Shannon of the Constitutional Monarchy of Logos.

    #9741
    Avatar of Altaica
    Altaica
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    xnsdvd wrote:

    So… if I live and work in the same place… how exactly do you define that?

    IF you just spend the night fore a couple of weeks while working there then it’s just a normal ship/offshore platform. I it is your

    Habitual Residence this it’s a seastead no mater what else you do there.

    xnsdvd wrote:
    And… I’m still not sure what the message you’re trying to get across is. And, why are you excluding the concept of sovereignty?

    Sovereignty means you need a military. and it needs to be able to with stand and assault by mercenaries at the lest and, if you are making a scene on the international stage, hostile state.

    Οὐκ ἐμεῦ ἀλλὰ τοῦ λόγου ἀκούσαντας ὁμολογέειν σοφόν ἐστι, ἓν πάντα εἶναι.

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