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    What zone of water would the community have to be located wihtin in order to be a “soverign nation?” (past territorial waters, contiguous waters, exclusive econmic zone, or all the way out in international waters) I always thought it had to be way out in the boondocks of the ocean, 200 miles away from any land, but sealand wasn’t that far away…. How far offshore are we planning on placing our communites?

    #9812
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    I think the consensus these days is that “national sovereignty” within existing legal frameworks is very difficult, if not impossible, regardless of location.

    But convenience flagging gets you pretty far. And you’ve got to start somewhere.

    #9828
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    Sealand was established before the 200-mile economic zone was agreed upon. Back then, there was only a 12-mile limit to national sovereignty. BTW, the Law of the Sea Treaty is an attempt by the UN to make the creation of a soveign state on an artifical or manmade structure (boat, island, etc.) unlawful. Many nations have agree to this treaty. So, we had better be prepared to fight for our liberty and sovereign rights.

    An interesting side bar:

    When Mel Fisher discovered the wreck of the Atochia and started recovering its treasures, Florida tried to use its antiquities law to confiscate the booty. Eventually, Mel Fisher won because the Supreme Court ruled that Florida could not claim more territorial waters than did the US, which at that time was 12-miles. The wreck was farther out than 12 miles limit of the US, but well within the 200-mile limit Florida claimed before the court decision.

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    xiagos wrote:
    Sealand was established before the 200-mile economic zone was agreed upon. Back then, there was only a 12-mile limit to national sovereignty.

    Sealand was established when the territorial waters were 3nm. The UK didn’t extend it’s territorial waters to 12nm until 1987.

    #10457
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    Waveheights, currents, trade routes, depth, geology of the seafloor, distance to equator, windspeed, statistics on past natural disaster incidents, EEZ of established nations, possible piracy in the locale etc… Acumulate all these data on a certain spot if you end up having an acceptable spot just go for it when you can.

    Example Spot(with no coordinates given): Northeastern Saya de Malha Bank, While the bank itself is as large as Belgium there are only a handful of spots which will make stuff easier on us. (Seafloor)Plains 1km-10km wide with depth between 20-40m are plenty in this zone. Waveheight differs between 2-3m, there is however a risk of rogue waves or tsunamis in some spots, there are many 10-20m deep line shaped shallow zones that can act like a breakwater with a little work. Aquatic life is well preserved and commercially valuable. There are rumours about seafloor (hot)vents in the eastern border of the bank(1000m+) which can be used for potential energy source. Only trouble in this zone is Public Reaction from enviromentalists and intervention from nearby Mauritius State however both of these problems can be prevented before establishing a seastead community in these waters with proper strategy. There are strong ocean currents with direction northeast->southwest in east end of the bank which are almost feasible as energy sources(perhaps their feasibility will increase in near future), wave action rich in energy is mostly in the same direction which can also be tapped for energy. It also has high-potential for solar energy. Couldn’t find any source for windspeeds but i am almost sure there is enough wind to make wind turbines feasible as well. Most of the bank is outside of Mautius’ EEZ and almost all of it is considered as world heritage site by many nations, but as far as i know spot isn’t officially declared as a world heritage site.

    For people planning,dreaming to have seasteads in Mediterranean Waters or somewhere similar geopolitically, there is no way you can earn high autonomy i believe… We simply have to sit out of EEZ borders as long as we want to be sovereign in this time and age. Sealand is an extreme example in history which will not be repeated, and their short distance to mainland isn’t really an advantage i believe, it might prove useful when you think about yoru logistic needs but being so close to an established nation decreases your autonomy drastically.

    #10459
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    peaceman27 wrote:

    What zone of water would the community have to be located wihtin in order to be a “soverign nation?”

    it was to be under 0 inches out at sea to be a “soverign nation?”

    peaceman27 wrote:
    (past territorial waters, contiguous waters, exclusive econmic zone, or all the way out in international waters) I always thought it had to be way out in the boondocks of the ocean, 200 miles away from any land, but sealand wasn’t that far away…. How far offshore are we planning on placing our communites?

    If your planing on a seastead fixed to a location you need to be 200 nughical miles away from any EEZ and/or continental shelf. If you are outside the established EEZ but withing 200 naughtical miles your own EEZ would take away part of their EEZ and they WILL do what ever it takes to keep you from being recognized.

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