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  • #1647
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    the-fish
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    Well here i am already living on a small ship on the east coast of australia, problem is there is no way to make money.

    I have a background in tuna farming around the world

    So I am all ears to any ideas and money to get started.

    The Fish

    #15732
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    wohl1917
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    Welcome Aboard! Second, If youre already living on a small ship, you’re seasteading in my humble opinion. If you’ve got the money to sustain yourself and support what your doing why worry about ‘making money’? Enough and a little bit more to buld up for a rainy day is all you really need. Any more and you’re working to pay the man…

    < http://ocr.wikia.com/wiki/Oceanic_Citizens_Republic_Wiki>

    Avatar of elspru
    elspru
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    the wrote:

    Well here i am already living on a small ship on the east coast of australia, problem is there is no way to make money.

    I have a background in tuna farming around the world

    So I am all ears to any ideas and money to get started.

    The Fish

    You may have heard of the story of the golden fish that grants wishes.

    Anything you wish for can be yours, simply make a list, and let spirit guide you, make some beneficial actions, experience, recognize, and appreciate results.

    What do you wish for? Any experience your heart desires can be granted.

    To start steading the ocean, you could begin by adding nutrients to an area of a slow moving gyre, can have a beacon to mark where it be. then growing everything you need to support your seastead, so a variety of fish for nutrients, some corals or clams as source of cement for ferrocement boats, sponges, conches and other usables.

    Oh yes, and it would be optimal to have a ferrocement boat, as can use it as a long-term base, then can use faster boats like catamarans to ferry to and from the seastead farm.

    Money is never an issue, as the resources can simply magically appear upon request through coincidental magic, for instance a harvestable wilderness source, or a friend with spare available.

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    #15760
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    xns
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    Perhaps you should start by anchoring a network of buoys outside territorial waters and building a small island of plastic barrels on it.

    King Shannon of the Constitutional Monarchy of Logos.

    #15761
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    elspru
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    xns wrote:

    Perhaps you should start by anchoring a network of buoys outside territorial waters and building a small island of plastic barrels on it.

    King Shannon of the Constitutional Monarchy of Logos.

    Plastic barrels is actually one of the most expensive options, styrofoam covered in black plastic bags and wrapped together with rope much more economical. Also styrofoam is oblivious to punctures, and can handle most collisions better.

    compare $270 per ton boyancy for plastic-barrels, and $30 per ton boyancy for styrofoam.

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/66826680/Floating-Objects-for-Rafts-Dry-Docks

    Also related is the styrotree catamaran model I made to prove it is viable.

    http://www.seasteading.org/interact/forums/research/engineering/styrotree-catamaran

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    #15762
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    xns
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    On a practical note, Barrels are easier to find in our region and there’s far less chance of them disintegrating and finding their way into plankton feeding fish while carrying hydrophobic pesticides. That and styrofoam soaks up water over time. Anyway, I’ll just say from experience that styrofoam with black plastic coverings didn’t stand up to UV, friction and animal life very well. Barrels on the other hand are still perfectly intact.

    King Shannon of the Constitutional Monarchy of Logos.

    #15877
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    utipia
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    Plastic barrels could be improved if filled with two part expanding foam. One gallon liquid expands to twenty gallons foam. Cost $300 for a 10 gallon “set ” FOB California.

    Plastic bags wrapped over foam is cheap but could easily fail at the worst time.

    http://www.thetipi.net

    #15896
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    elspru
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    yo xns, I reply to your styrofoam comment in the styrotree thread:

    http://www.seasteading.org/interact/forums/research/engineering/styrotree-catamaran#comment-18309

    by easier, do you also mean the barrels are much cheaper where you are? since based on Canadian prices, a plastic barrel boyancy ton only slightly cheaper than a concrete boyancy ton.

    #20500
    Avatar of the fish
    the fish
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    Well its been a while since I began this little oddessy and even though I am living at sea on a permanent basis it is not what I consider a seasteading project.

    As it turns out there are many different ways to begin a small community but alas i am in the wrong part of the world.
    I anticipate beginning a small but growing society just north of where I am which is currently anchored off Airlie Beach nearby the Whisunday Island on the Queensland North Coast Australia

    http://www.facebook.com/events/160895507352445/#!/profile.php?id=100003620355368

    Above is the link to my face book page and all that are interested a welcome to join.

    My idea surrounds utilizing a floating Marina attached to my ship somewhere where other boaties can come and go from.

    I need maybe 20K to get started from here maybe even less so if there is someone out there who wants to cut out some cash come help me get started I am all for it.

    The best way to stay in touch with me is by my face book page “Mountain Ship” The ships real name is Tateyama Maru which translates to Mountain Ship hence the name.

    I can tell you its is seemly a large high mountain that needs to be climbed.

    Someone with intimitae knowledge of the Thiel Group might find a way to help however I have my doubts as we are so far away.

    Please join my face book page and lets together get started.

    The Captain

    #21459
    Avatar of CompulsiveCoder
    CompulsiveCoder
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    I’m also on east coast of Australia.

     

    I could probably give you hundreds of business ideas because I’m always coming up with them.

    You’d need to filter through them and help figure out which ones seem most feasible though.

     

    I do believe for seasteading to work there needs to be a way to get a return on investment, otherwise most people simply cannot afford it.

    So seasteading businesses are a key IMO.

     

    One of my ideas is an open fish farm. Instead of raising fish in pens, and having to feed them, we simply create floating habitats (don’t even need to be capable of holding humans, so can be pretty basic and cheap), cover them in plants, and then let the small marine critters inhabit them.

    Then the small fish come to eat them and breed. Then the big fish come to eat the smaller fish.

    Over time the habitat should be surrounded by fish, and actually helping them to breed and increase the population (above what would be there if the habitat didn’t exist).

    Then we can sustainably harvest a small % of the larger fish and take them to market. Or just as our own food.

     

    The key behind this principle is the idea that most of the fish in the oceans are concentrated near habitats, breeding grounds, food sources, etc.

    Most of these are basically land or floating objects which are in the tidal zone.

    I even say in a doco footage of a school of fish which came across a floating palm frond out in the ocean and they went berserk. Breeding, spawing all over it, until it was completely covered in eggs.

     

    Seems it doesn’t take much to provide a breeding ground for fish.

     

    There are a whole bunch of other spin-off business opportunities too. Such as harvesting mangroves and other plants for construction materials, food, even stock/animal feed.

    I even saw something the other day about australian trees (need to look it up to recall which one it was) which are actually entirely salt tolerant. I think I recall them saying it can tolerate salt levels way beyond that of the ocean (cos it’s used to growing in high salinity soils).

    So these could be grown and harvested for timber.

     

    Another spin off opportunity is to farm and harvest oysters, kelp, crabs, even to produce high quality sea salt.

     

    If you’re interested in discussing ideas further I’m happy to share my ideas with you, and you can use them however you like.

    We could even discuss using my recycled seastead (now at 99kg boyancy for just the glass bottles, plus more for the additional plastic bottles I’m thinking I’ll add too).

    I’ve also probably got enough bottles and stuff to add another 20-30 or so kg of boyancy (just need to make the blocks out of them).

     

    While it wouldn’t hold a lot of humans yet it certainly would hold enough plants to make a pretty attractive habitat for marine animals and fish.

    No additional structure is required…..just move the blocks to the water (after sealing them with marine grade silicon and/or recycled rubber)…..attach them together……..put a few containers on the top with holes in them…..fill them with sand and soil……then plant a range of plants into the containers. Then drag it into position and anchor it.

    The maximum material cost to finish that off for a small scale habitat is likely about $100 (for anchors, silicon, etc.) because it’s such a cheap setup.

     

    I’m still trying to decide whether to put my stead experiment into an estuary away from waves…..or find someone with a boat to help me drag it out into the ocean.

     

    I’m just going to figure it out as I go.

     

    Let me know if you’d like to discuss these ideas and/or if you’d like more ideas you might be able to use.

     

    Cheers

    #22020
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    Anonymous

    How do the floating plastic platforms handle 30ft waves and 50mph winds? I’ve been logging two sources of wind/wave data around the world for several years now, and there is no place safe from these conditions.

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