What about this basic USCG rule?
Tagged: legal USCG
September 17, 2012 at 5:56 pm #21045
My understanding (in the usa) is a boat that is not tied to a certified anchorage or dock is required to have someone maintaining a watch 24-7, no exceptions. Being i am just one person, this means i must drag my seastead into shore if i need fuel or groceries or toilet paper, or snail mail. Plus the fact that once i leave dock again, i am required to be awake and on watch 24-7 until i dock again. How does anyone get around this?September 18, 2012 at 10:46 am #21046
There is no such rule.September 18, 2012 at 1:36 pm #21047
Part 5 :
Every vessel shall at all times maintain a proper look-out by sight as well as by hearing as well as by all available means appropriate in the prevailing circumstances and conditions so as to make a full appraisal of the situation and of the risk of collision.
In practice, this has meant “except when tied to dock or in approved anchorages”. However, liability can be mixed if you are in an approved anchorage, and someone else drags anchor, and hits your boat while everyone is asleep, especially if there is a storm and presumed awareness that anchors can be dragged.
If a ship runs you over while you are asleep, about the only way you (or your next of kin) might win in court if if you can prove you had a working AIS transmitter, and their reciever was broken, and they knew it, and they were traveling anyhow.September 19, 2012 at 10:06 pm #21058
Part 5 of COLREGS pertains to vessels under way and says nothing about or in no way adresses any circumstances regarding collisions while @ anchor. The standard practice for big ships is that even while @ anchor to keep all the watches. In reality, it is not always enforced by the captains,…if you are on a 400,000 TDW tanker @ anchor and a 30′ sailboat hits you, who cares, it is his problem, plus from the bridge you can’t even see it coming or notice the collision. The other way around is also bad for the small guy since out there @ sea the big ships won’t stop for a 30 footer. But, if @ anchor and some ship runs you over, the liability are not mixed, regardless if you were sleeping, if aboard or not. If you can prove in a martime court that the said vessel hit you, they are liable, regardless if they dragged anchor or whatever.
But I’ve never heard of any rules regarding 24/7 watch when anchored (whatever you meant by a “certified” anchorage) or I will ever care about their stupid rules. (I am talking about small boats)
In Florida, if you are not in a navigation channel or in a marked “no anchoring area”, you can drop the hook anywhere. Just don’t drop it on a coral head. BIG NO NO that might even get you some jail time.September 19, 2012 at 10:19 pm #21059
I am SO sorry i ever mentioned watch while anchored. Anchor was only one of several situations i could have mentioned, and i stupidly assumed you’d take “under way” as one of those times when standing watch was important and required. So let me restate my ORIGINAL post which started this thread :
My understanding (in the usa) is a boat that is not tied to a certified anchorage or dock is required to have someone maintaining a watch 24-7, no exceptions. Being i am just one person, this means i must drag my seastead into shore if i need fuel or groceries or toilet paper, or snail mail. Plus the fact that once i leave dock again, i am required to be awake and on watch 24-7 until i dock again. How does anyone get around this?
I am sitting here shaking my head that i didn’t consider you’d have forgotten my first post by the time you got to my second one.September 20, 2012 at 12:10 pm #21060
It’s been a few days since i first subscribed and posted here, and all this has done is confirm to me my first appraisal of seasteading.org from many years ago: it’s a waste of time. There’s no answers, there’s apparently no one DOING anything, so i am not going to wait on an answer, not going to be monitoring this thread any longer. Consider it closed.September 20, 2012 at 9:11 pm #21061
Waste of time? The Forum may have been largely abandoned by now, but its archive represents a substantial knowledge base. As for the organization, they have themselves a 270 footer which they are now preparing for service! How often they will check here for newbies like myself is anybody’s guess, but I expect many of them are still in touch with each other outside of this forum too.September 21, 2012 at 9:24 pm #21062
Ken SimsKey Master
Other than the occasional administrative posting, the TSI staff doesn’t frequent the forums any more.
Spam in the forums (or anyplace on the site for that matter) is handled by me, as is most of the approving of legitimate posts that get held for moderation.
I’m a volunteer, not part of the staff. I have a full-time job (not related to seasteading). That’s why spam might hang around for a few hours (especially overnight), but as soon as I see, it gets blown away.
KenOctober 16, 2012 at 5:20 pm #21160
I think the first wave left, and this is what they lef behind.
They are on that 270 feet boat, and they are probably quiet.
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