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  • #8294
    Avatar of bencoder
    bencoder
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    Michael wrote:

    I keep telling people it’s very doable if you’re willing to “live small.” Our boat is a whalloping 33 feet long, and it’s very comfortable for the two of us.

    Absolutely. In fact, I’m aiming for ~27 foot for myself only. Unfortunately I have (very) little money and boat prices on this side of the pond (UK) seem to be at least about 3 times what they cost over there, when you take into account exchange rates. I’m strongly considering taking a trip to america just to buy a boat, when I can afford it.

    #8297
    Avatar of SailorTrash
    SailorTrash
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    bencoder wrote:

    Absolutely. In fact, I’m aiming for ~27 foot for myself only. Unfortunately I have (very) little money and boat prices on this side of the pond (UK) seem to be at least about 3 times what they cost over there, when you take into account exchange rates. I’m strongly considering taking a trip to america just to buy a boat, when I can afford it.

    If you focus your search in the Charleston SC area I’m happy to help. I am NOT a marine surveyor, but I have a decent idea of things to look for in a boat, and I have friends that know much more than I do. If you’re willing to do a lot of “fixing-upping” yourself, you can get a lot of boat for your money. We paid US$6000.00 for our boat; it’s taken almost twice that to fix it and we’re not yet done. But I’ve saved a fortune by doing a lot of the work (wiring, plumbing, etc) myself.

    In fact, there’s a 28-foot Hunter tied up next to us, a derelict that was towed in. I think the boatyard is only asking US$2000.00 for it. But it needs an astounding amount of work to even make it livable, much less seaworthy (no engine, no boom, flooded bilge, massive beard, and generally filthy, but it does have roller-furling jib and a solid-looking mast).

    I live at the City Marina; there are three other marinas very close by (walk/bike/dinghy), and lots of others in the general Charleston area. I can go eyeball boats anytime, being self-(un)employed at the moment. ;-)

    http://seagypsies-mikeandkatie.blogspot.com/

    Taking our cue from the Eskimos, we boat people have over 30 words for “leak.”

    #8299
    Avatar of Eelco
    Eelco
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    Have you followed the greek riots?

    Anyways, I’ve looked at some photos, and I see many women in the protests in greece. I’ve met anarchist females, but it’s usually at a ratio of 1:20. Also, I’ve heard libertarian men complaining about lack of women often (american men). I may have confirmation bias, but I haven’t met anyone who thinks otherwise.

    Oh, its still a skewed ratio, for sure. Im just pleasantly surprised, having just moved from the netherlands.

    Also, I’m completely confused and slightly offended that you would think that I said “finding employment is a bigger issue for women than for men.”

    I said nothing of the sort.

    “Personally, I would not want to go to a seastead unless I had employment there that’s related to my career.” – me

    I didnt say that you said that; I was just wondering out loud. The most offshorable jobs are geeky computer-bound jobs; thye are similarly known for their relative lack of women.

    #8303
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    Dil
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    Eelco wrote:

    Have you followed the greek riots?

    Anyways, I’ve looked at some photos, and I see many women in the protests in greece. I’ve met anarchist females, but it’s usually at a ratio of 1:20. Also, I’ve heard libertarian men complaining about lack of women often (american men). I may have confirmation bias, but I haven’t met anyone who thinks otherwise.

    Oh, its still a skewed ratio, for sure. Im just pleasantly surprised, having just moved from the netherlands.

    Also, I’m completely confused and slightly offended that you would think that I said “finding employment is a bigger issue for women than for men.”

    I said nothing of the sort.

    “Personally, I would not want to go to a seastead unless I had employment there that’s related to my career.” – me

    I didnt say that you said that; I was just wondering out loud. The most offshorable jobs are geeky computer-bound jobs; thye are similarly known for their relative lack of women.

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    I’m not sure about that assessment, considering the fact that people are still hammering out how exactly we are to implement a relatively fast internet. I would think that any computer based job would be dead in the water without a relatively decent connection.

    -Revolution starts in the mind.

    #8305
    Avatar of cthulhujunior
    cthulhujunior
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    Hey. If we’re hoping to target a specific demographic (i.e. women), then might it not be a good idea to advertise where there are lots of them? I know I said there are roughly three billion of them on planet Earth earlier, but some places- in fact, many places- seem to be predominantly men. So I ask, is there a place that’s predominantly women and if so why not advertise there? (BTW, this thinking should also work on where to advertise in general i.e. hotbeds of libertarian thought wherever those may be). And if there isn’t any such place (for women or for libertarians), then advertising the founding of such a place could attract people interested in such. In other words, target the feminists (though they tend to be a bit less libertarian and more geared towards social reform type stuff).

    On this topic, what industries/places are predominantly women? Teaching? Cosmetic services? Cooking? Management? I have VERY little data, and so don’t know what we can export to boats and what we can’t. Also, sorry if my misconceptions have offended anyone.

    Hope this helps.

    #8311
    Avatar of Eelco
    Eelco
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    I’m not sure about that assessment, considering the fact that people are still hammering out how exactly we are to implement a relatively fast internet. I would think that any computer based job would be dead in the water without a relatively decent connection.

    Good point.

    Satelite isnt that crappy though. Its only like going ten years back in time…

    #8324
    Avatar of Dil
    Dil
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    Hey. If we’re hoping to target a specific demographic (i.e. women), then might it not be a good idea to advertise where there are lots of them? I know I said there are roughly three billion of them on planet Earth earlier, but some places- in fact, many places- seem to be predominantly men. So I ask, is there a place that’s predominantly women and if so why not advertise there? (BTW, this thinking should also work on where to advertise in general i.e. hotbeds of libertarian thought wherever those may be). And if there isn’t any such place (for women or for libertarians), then advertising the founding of such a place could attract people interested in such. In other words, target the feminists (though they tend to be a bit less libertarian and more geared towards social reform type stuff).

    On this topic, what industries/places are predominantly women? Teaching? Cosmetic services? Cooking? Management? I have VERY little data, and so don’t know what we can export to boats and what we can’t. Also, sorry if my misconceptions have offended anyone.

    Hope this helps.

    I find, if one does not know how to solve a problem, and one tries to solve it anyways, it often makes the problem worse. IF we were to advertise sea steads to places where women roam, then we assume that people in these places would be interested in sea steads. What percentage of the population do you think would want to do something like move onto the ocean? Why do you think they would want to do that?

    IMO, the group that is most likely to like to move into the ocean are the anarchist/libertarian types. Feminists want to reform the system, and I’m not sure if they believe in freedom as libertarians conceive of it.

    Hell, I would even want to stay on land, and reform the system if I thought it was possible to do so. But I think the system is broken and I’ve read too much to believe in anything like creating a sovereign state on land, I’ve observed the failures, and I am completely certain that if one were to attempt to create an anarchaic society on land, the government (any government) will find a way to destroy it because that is what they do. Given half a chance, they will destroy anyone who tries to compete with their power. This is the extremely cynical demographic. On a happier note, you may want to seek sci fi geeks who dream about living in a technological and socially free paradise on the ocean.

    Basically, I don’t think you should waste your time (going into cosmetic salons or malls) because a very particular set of people would want to join seasteading. Also, I think it’s a bit early to worry about gender since we’re still worrying about getting anyone on board with the idea.

    On a more serious note, bribing/luring women to join is a stupid idea, since pioneering a seastead requires serious dedication and belief.

    -Revolution starts in the mind.

    #8335
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    cthulhujunior
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    It is rather silly to try to get specific customers when we’re desparate for any. Hence, the proper course wouldn’t be so much to advertise in specific places so much as it would be to advertise everywhere. Which, considering we’re mostly only on the Internet, would be an improvement. Of course, it would help if we had a product…

    Come to think of it, this whole thread’s putting the cart a smidge before the horse. Typically you develop the product before you sell it. Then you worry about marketing.

    #8636
    Avatar of billswift
    billswift
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    Most of the people here seem to be engineering/hard science/computer types, which as you’ve pointed out are normally majority male. Maybe try to think about professions with more female members and how they could be integrated into a seasteading vision. Actually, how they need to be involved into a seasteading vision. One possibility, since the defense thread mentioned supporting oceanographic research as protective coloration/activity is marine biology, that could also be useful on this blog for considerations of mariculture of which I have seen lots more speculation than reasoned argument. Also, maybe we should be coming up with interior designs for the seasteads as well as engineering sketches and outside views. And more input from health care professionals.

    #8931
    Avatar of greyraven_r
    greyraven_r
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    For the wonderful ladies here, this is not an note against you.

    In general, from my experience, women just don’t care about the fanciful ramblings of men! I guarentee, if a sea stead happens, enough women will become interested and follow.

    They are waiting for a practical application of our “madness”. If we build it, they will come!

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