We need some more girls in here!
July 14, 2009 at 1:21 pm #6997
was inevitable. I lived in Japan for 6 years all together and while I admire many aspects of the culture, this wasn’t one! A lot of Japanese men were kinky, freaky sexually repressed S.O.B.’s. Now, the women on the other hand…August 4, 2009 at 9:20 am #7262
I have been reliably informed that girls are attracted to shiny objects.
And cthulhujunior‘s idea isn’t bad, either.August 4, 2009 at 7:52 pm #7270
Shiny objects! *forhead slap*
Why didn’t I think of that!?
– NickAugust 14, 2009 at 6:15 am #7415
ha, lets face it seastanding isn’t exactly a buzzword these days. The concept itself is just barley recognized by only a handful of people. I mean seriously have fun trying to bring up seastanding at your next beer social. no really good luck,cuz noone will know what the hell your talking about. male or female.August 14, 2009 at 9:17 am #7416
Been there, done that, and you’re right. Trying to spread the word about seasteading off the internet usually gets people to roll their eyes and politely begin ignoring my “crazy ideas.” I suppose I’m just not a very good salesman. That’ll almost certainly change though as things move farther along. I’ve noticed from this forum that seasteading (at this point) tends to attract certain types, particularly people involved in sailing, ones who already have an idea of their “perfect” society, and people interested in new technologies… we just haven’t reached the stage where it is interesting to the everyday average Joe.August 14, 2009 at 5:09 pm #7424
Start by talking politics or any other social phenomenon that the audience thinks sucks:
“Yeah, I know, things rather suck now. Even if the best people are elected, how much reversion could they possibly get? (If talking to conservatives) For instance, I love Reagan to death, but he barely undid the damage by Jimmy Carter, much less every other meddlesome politician for the last two hundred years. (If talking to liberals) For instance, despite all Obama’s activism, what Bush policies has he undone? Stem cells? He’s just added a bunch of meddling on top of the meddling we already have. I kind of like the idea of just sort of getting away, sort of starting my own country, maybe a sort of big boat.” “Yeah, but there isn’t that kind of technology yet.” “True, but there are people looking into it. It’s called Seasteading. It was founded by a few Net entrepeneurs and has the support of one of the guys behind PayPal, and it’s an attempt to experimentally form new countries so people can pick and choose what government they want to live under. They have a website. I’ll send you a link.”
This doesn’t quite convey all the respect due to seasteading and the founders thereof, but it’s also not a direct jump to crazy town. There aren’t very many farming or sailing enthusiasts, but, thanks to the polarization of politics, there are LOTS of political discontents under any administration. Note, this particular conversation would only work in America, but a similar approach should work anywhere.
Sorry if I’ve offended anyone in my attempt to sell Seasteading in five minutes. Hope this helps.
Oh, and Alan, thanks for your support.October 4, 2009 at 12:40 pm #7943
…I’ll get my wife to sign up here. We’re both liveaboards and planning to stay so, being the go-betweens as we sail from stead to stead. I’ll see if Ican get her to dress sexy when we pull alongside to chew the fat. 😉October 4, 2009 at 7:46 pm #7946
to answer your original post, “Build it and they will come” dude. Women dont want to get involved too much in these “manly” endeavours like building “stuff”, other than the fact that will pinpoint for us the EXACT location and size of their walk in closets. When the smoke clears and you will be asking the magic question, “Would you join me for after dinner drinks on my private island?”,..you wait and see.
P.S. Or, maybe all it takes its a comment like this to stir up some feminist pride (and rage). I am sure that what will follow will start with “You chauvinistic pig O,..we are as good and qualified, if not better,…etc, etc…” Well, bring it on, sisters.October 4, 2009 at 8:53 pm #7950
pride? Rage? I don’t think any self respecting rabid feminist would give your comment anything more than mild indignation! “How dare you suggest that blah, blah, blah etc.,…!” Good shot though I think.lol;)
Mike, great Blog!!October 4, 2009 at 11:20 pm #7952
Thank you! A journal of our trials, travails and triumphs thus far.
**************************************************October 5, 2009 at 12:50 am #7953
There are infinitely many possible variations of personality, including many factors independent of biology. Hence, there are both tomboys and girly men- as well as manly men and girly girls. I think the assertion of many here is that most women are womanly- that is, they prefer the comfort, security, and stability offered by traditional establishments. I seem to recall both major colonization efforts- the Americas and the Old West- being predominantly men. However, I approximate there are roughly three billion women out there- with those numbers, even a small minority being individualists would help. Yes, seasteading needs better advertising, but so does liberty in general. Making it a viable possibility would be a great start, though spreading individualism would also help. It would also be a good idea to try to attract only the individualists first- men or women, they’re the sort needed to start a new society. Until a seastead is designed for large scale automation and comfort, middle managers and techies (including myself until I learn a few things) are out; farmers, sailors, and mechanics are in. The phenomenon many of you are noticing is that most farmers and mechanics are men. The phenomenon the rest of you are pointing out is that even though most women aren’t farmers or mechanics, many are. Again with the three billion of them to choose from.
Michael- you and your wife are amazing. What you’re doing is EXACTLY the sort of thing to start this movement going for real.
Hope this helps.October 5, 2009 at 6:01 am #7942
Murray Rothbard said “all stereotypes are true,” yet very often, stereotypes contradict empirical fact or even each other. Someone said earlier in the thread that women tend to favor safety and security, yet there is also the observation of women being attracted to “bad boys,” for example. Women are stereotypically more nurturing, yet they’re more likely than men to kill their own young children. Women are supposed to be the kinder, gentler sex, but they’re also ball-busting bitches. Women supposedly aren’t interested in politics, yet they’re taking over through feminism. Etc.
Let’s be clear on something. If it were women holding back movements like seasteading, success would already be here. Or at least things should be a lot further along. There are loads and loads of single, unattached men who could be joining the movement but don’t.
If it’s women who are inherently less interested in freedom, more male-centered societies should be more free. In that case, Saudi Arabia should be a libertarian paradise.
The slogan “Death to intelligence! Long live death!” came from the lips of a man in Spain on October 12, 1936. To be fair, they were in response to another man’s appeal to “Reason and Right.” Yet other men did not stop General Milan-Astray from driving the elderly scholar out of his university at gunpoint. Where was all that supposed rock-hard masculine reason that we hear about? The man who used rational argument was very much an exception. The man who would blindly fall in line behind a strongman was more the rule.
I think there’s still a significant degree of gender segregation in modern secular society — obviously not as bad as in places like Afghanistan, but it’s still there. To use what I believe is a Patricia Pearson line, “You don’t find what you don’t seek.” If you hang around mostly with other men and assume there aren’t loads of women out there with similar interests, it will tend to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. If one has few or no female friends, it should hardly be surprising if one doesn’t do so well at getting female compatriots. (I’m not saying this applies to anyone here, but I’ve definitely observed many guys like that elsewhere, e.g., in “pretty girls don’t like video games and only wanna play house!” type discussions on gamer sites).
Though I’m not a seasteader, I’m a new-country-starter of another bent. What’s working for me is to, well, actually have female friends, lots of ’em, seek out lots more, and drop any assumption that women are inherently less interested in anything I’m interested in. And it helps that I’m very interested in them.October 5, 2009 at 1:49 pm #7955
Cthulhu, thanks. It’s been a hell of a fight to get as far as we have, and there’s a load still to do.
Wohl–I signed up on your OCR Wiki.
**************************************************October 10, 2009 at 12:24 am #8096
The answer is so obvious, I can’t believe noone else has mentioned it.
All you gotta do is say:
“I’m on a boat, I’m on a boat,
Everybody look at me ’cause I’m sailin on a boat,
I’m on a boat, I’m on a boat,
Take a good hard look at the motherfuckin’ boat”
Chicks love guys with boats.October 10, 2009 at 3:43 am #8101
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