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  • #1573
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    http://www.thevenusproject.com/en/the-venus-project-introduction/aims-propos

    “Aims and Proposals

    It is common in our mass-media to read and to hear commentators talk about the number of social problems that face us today, such as global warming, destruction of Earth’s environment, unemployment, crime, violence, poverty, hunger, and the population explosion. Yet, how often do we hear of workable plans for alleviating many of these social problems? It is relatively simple for people to criticize society, however it’s much more difficult to identify and implement plans to resolve the problems.

    The Venus Project is a veritable blue-print for the genesis of a new world civilization, one that is based on human concern and environmental reclamation.

    The plans for The Venus Project offer society a broader spectrum of choices based on the scientific possibilities directed toward a new era of peace and sustainability for all. Through the implementation of a resource-based economy, and a multitude of innovative and environmentally friendly technologies directly applied to the social system, The Venus Project proposals will dramatically reduce crime, poverty, hunger, homelessness, and many other pressing problems that are common throughout the world today.

    One of the cornerstones of the organization’s findings is the fact that many of the dysfunctional behaviors of today’s society stem directly from the dehumanizing environment of a monetary system. In addition, automation has resulted in the technological replacement of human labor by machines and eventually most people will not have the purchasing power to buy the goods and services turned out.

    The Venus Project proposes a social system in which automation and technology would be intelligently integrated into an overall social design where the primary function would be to maximize the quality of life rather than profits. This project also introduces a set of workable and practical values.

    This is in perfect accord with the spiritual aspects and ideals found in most religions throughout the world. What sets The Venus Project apart, however, is that it proposes to translate these ideals into a working reality.

    PHASE ONE

    The first phase of The Venus Project’s long-term plans is already underway. Jacque Fresco, futurist, inventor, industrial designer and founder of The Venus Project and his associate Roxanne Meadows have completed the construction of a 25-acre research center in Venus, Florida to help present the proposals of The Venus Project. Videos, pamphlets, and a recently published book, The Best That Money Can’t Buy: Beyond Politics, Poverty, and War, have been created to help raise awareness about this project and its many proposals.

    PHASE TWO

    Phase Two includes the production of a full-length feature film that will depict how a world embracing the proposals advanced by The Venus Project would work. This film would provide a positive vision of a peaceful society in which all human beings form a global family on planet Earth. A civilization in which all people are engaged in the pursuit of a better understanding of the world they share. This film has been designed to be an entertaining and educational experience for both adults and children.

    PHASE THREE

    To test its designs and proposals The Venus Project is working towards putting its ideals into practice by the construction of an experimental research city. Blueprints for most of the initial technologies and buildings have begun. Fund-raising efforts are currently under way to help support the construction of this first experimental city. This new experimental research city would be devoted to working towards the aims and goals of The Venus Project, which are:

    1. Realizing the declaration of the world’s resources as being the common heritage of all people.

    2. Transcending the artificial boundaries that currently and arbitrarily separate people.

    3. Replacing money-based nationalistic economies with a resource-based world economy.

    4. Assisting in stabilizing the world’s population through education and voluntary birth control.

    5. Reclaiming and restoring the natural environment to the best of our ability.

    6. Redesigning cities, transportation systems, agricultural industries, and industrial plants so that they are energy efficient, clean, and able to conveniently serve the needs of all people.

    7. Gradually outgrowing corporate entities and governments, (local, national, or supra-national) as means of social management.

    8. Sharing and applying new technologies for the benefit of all nations.

    9. Developing and using clean renewable energy sources.

    10. Manufacturing the highest quality products for the benefit of the world’s people.

    11. Requiring environmental impact studies prior to construction of any mega projects.

    12. Encouraging the widest range of creativity and incentive toward constructive endeavour.

    13. Outgrowing nationalism, bigotry, and prejudice through education.

    14. Eliminating elitism, technical or otherwise.

    15. Arriving at methodologies by careful research rather than random opinions.

    16. Enhancing communication in schools so that our language is relevant to the physical conditions of the world.

    17. Providing not only the necessities of life, but also offering challenges that stimulate the mind while emphasizing individuality rather than uniformity.

    18. Finally, preparing people intellectually and emotionally for the changes and challenges that lie ahead.

    PHASE FOUR

    After the research experimental city is built, a theme park is also planned that will both entertain and inform visitors about the possibilities for humane and environmentally friendly life-styles planned by The Venus Project. It will feature intelligent houses; high-efficiency, non polluting transportation systems; advanced computer technology; and a number of other innovations that can add value to the lives of all people – in a very short period of time.

    No one can actually predict the future. We can only extrapolate on present information and trends. Population growth, technological change, worldwide environmental conditions, and available resources are the primary criteria for future projections.

    There is no single philosophy or point of view whether religious, political, scientific, or ideological, that someone would not take issue with. We feel certain, however, that the only aspects of The Venus Project that may appear threatening are those which others project onto it.

    The Venus Project is neither Utopian nor Orwellian, nor does it reflect the dreams of impractical idealists. Instead, it presents attainable goals requiring only the intelligent application of what we already know. The only limitations are those which we impose upon ourselves.”

    Seems like a good idea right?? I don’t think we will see it completed in our lifetime, but its a great start….could we use this on seasteads??

    Here is a video of an interview with the original creators of the idea dotsub.com/view/fbb6f0bc-2c70-4708-a063-27b9c81d219f

    #14554
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    Sickor
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    The creator also has the same idea of “seasteads” he calls them cities in the sea, and he made a whole movie about it…

    The trailer is a little corny but it makes sense http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBjr-uSEFcI

    Also, here is their idea on sea cities

    From http://www.thevenusproject.com/en/technology/cities-in-the-sea ,

    Sea City

    A global system of these structures can easily accommodate many millions of people and relieve the land based population pressures. They can provide the inhabitants with information and serve as natural sea aquariums without artificially enclosing marine life.

    Many of these cities may serve as oceanographic universities that maintain the ecological balance of marine systems. Other ocean cities will maintain sea farms that will cultivate many forms of marine life. They could also be used as a new resource for mining the relatively untapped resources of the oceans without disturbing its ecology. Still others may monitor and maintain environmental equilibrium and reclaim dangerous radioactive and other pollutant materials that have been dumped into the sea.

    After construction, these structures can be towed to various locations where they would be most beneficial, then anchored to the ocean floor. Some structures will be towed in prefabricated segments and then joined together at selected locations. Their internal construction will include floatation chambers which will render them practically unsinkable. They can be self maintained and fully automated.

    Off Shore Living

    Offshore apartment buildings of concrete, steel, glass, titanium, and a wide variety of new synthetic materials could be built to relieve the population pressure in areas like Hong Kong, Tokyo, Los Angeles, and New York. The materials used in such projects would be engineered to withstand the corrosive effects of the harsh ocean environment.

    Mariculture & Fish Farming

    This is a conceptual view of a mariculture and sea-farming system, which can be varied in configuration. Such systems would be used to cultivate and raise fish and other forms of marine life to help meet the nutritional needs of the world’s people. Capable of cultivating a great variety of marine life, these structures would be equipped to permit the free flow of water throughout the system. They are designed to be a non-contaminating, integral part of the marine environment.

    Automated Water Systems

    Eventually, with applied total design concepts and “mega- hydrological” projects, we could minimize the threat of floods and drought. These waterways would be an integrated part of a national flood control system that would hold back floodwaters, which could be released during periods of drought, and be used to maintain the water table. It could also be used for irrigation, shipping passengers and bulk freight; and the water storage basins could be used for recreation as well. In many instances, the waterway would be used as evaporative desalinization.”

    #14556
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    venus project is cool but its not organic. all the buildings are his own design, everything, every detail is the guys own making. it will never happen for the very reason that The Seasteading Institute was made in the first place. because there is no land on which to do it.

    but google Masdar city. it not that different from Frescos’ idea.

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    “Leadership and do-ership are not the same thing”

    #14557
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    Sickor
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    shredder7753 wrote:

    venus project is cool but its not organic. all the buildings are his own design, everything, every detail is the guys own making. it will never happen for the very reason that The Seasteading Institute was made in the first place. because there is no land on which to do it.

    but google Masdar city. it not that different from Frescos’ idea.

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    My Work II

    “Leadership and do-ership are not the same thing”

    most of his designs are not on land, but on the ocean itself, they are close to the land but not on it, but I see what you are getting at…

    Maybe comprimise is an option??

    First,

    #14626
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    it looks like my old notebooks in highschool, when i was a dm for rpg games(especially alternity and fallout settings) i used to have such drawings(oddly in almost perfect detail) yet i wasn’t calling them ‘project’s. Venus project isn’t an engineering/architectural project it is a fantasy game/novel project(at least their progress makes me assume so), Masdar is what i’d like to call a project(social,enviromental, architectural and even political)….

    #14645
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    Shouri wrote:

    it looks like my old notebooks in highschool, when i was a dm for rpg games(especially alternity and fallout settings) i used to have such drawings(oddly in almost perfect detail) yet i wasn’t calling them ‘project’s. Venus project isn’t an engineering/architectural project it is a fantasy game/novel project(at least their progress makes me assume so), Masdar is what i’d like to call a project(social,enviromental, architectural and even political)….

    if you have watched any of the zeitgeist movies, you see that their idea is not only logical, but it is feasible, not a fantasy idea…and its a combination of architectual engineering and social engineering. It makes complete sense

    #14651
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    Venus Project is simply UTOPIAN communism.

    You should simply read more about utopian socialists projects like New Harmonia, or about economic calculation problem in socialist economy…

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_calculation_problem

    Anyway, how you want to pay for these extremely expensive machines ?
    I understand that you want country without money, but you will need money to build it :D
    There are reasons why actual economy isn’t fully automated (even – or rather especially – in communist countries like Cuba or North Korea).

    PS. II’m not native speaker of english, so sorry for language mistakes.

    #14654
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    Ah, the fatal conceit.

    Besides, to have a nation without money you must have a nation without people, for money is nothing more than a medium of exchange between parties of people not a thing in and of itself.

    It seems that socialists never quite get that point….

    #14657
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    Granted Fresco does have some great ideas, there’s no doubt in my mind that he’s an inspiring futurist – its just, some of the ideas he has may not be as practical as they sound.

    If anyone reading this is interested in this guy, check out the Venus project online. He also has a documentary called ‘future by design’ – there he talks about his ideas and inventions, there are some really interesting designs and he has some interesting points of view on things.

    http://btjunkie.org/torrent/Future-By-Design-2006-DVDRip-XviD-aAF/43585ab8e39796d49447b387a0a9373cde56646c4cfc

    I think the reason he would like to see a world without money is to allow man to express his mind, and not just labour his life away. If people had no jobs (but also no need for money) they would find things to do, much like the ancient Greeks produced philosophers who’s thoughts still have an impact today.

    You have to agree, it would be great to live in a world where Art, music and philosophy were as common place as working a 9-5 in a dead end job. It would be great to be able to go to a ‘technology library’ and rent a camera as easily as you can rent a book.

    As an architecture student, I find real inspiration in the ‘out of the box’ ways he thinks and designs – systems such as the all-in-one sink/shower/toilet unit, which actively saves water, instead of just telling people to do so. Or building cone shaped structures in tornado hotspots, buildings that are almost immune to damage, normal houses are being destroyed and we’re rebuilding with houses that look almost identical.

    I’m not saying the Venus project’s ideas are the perfect path to take, of course there are some issues that need to be addressed, but there are some great lessons to be learned, (Plus his models are really cool! It’s nice to see some life-like seasteads instead of just CGI concepts)

    Edit – forgot to spell check!

    #15054
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    emmettvm wrote:

    Ah, the fatal conceit.

    Besides, to have a nation without money you must have a nation without people, for money is nothing more than a medium of exchange between parties of people not a thing in and of itself.

    It seems that socialists never quite get that point….

    “They must find it difficult, those that take authority as truth, instead of truth as the authority”

    I haven’t heard anything else more wrong! You don’t need money to have people! Where did you get that idea? And what do the socialists have to do with it? One of their ideas make sense, that people should be provided with the necceseties of life without a cost! Now sure it comes out in taxes but that is the downfall of the monetary system! There is no need for people to have to “buy” things.

    #15055
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    liberty90 wrote:

    Venus Project is simply UTOPIAN communism.

    You should simply read more about utopian socialists projects like New Harmonia, or about economic calculation problem in socialist economy…

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_calculation_problem

    Anyway, how you want to pay for these extremely expensive machines ?
    I understand that you want country without money, but you will need money to build it :D
    There are reasons why actual economy isn’t fully automated (even – or rather especially – in communist countries like Cuba or North Korea).

    PS. II’m not native speaker of english, so sorry for language mistakes.

    “They must find it difficult, those that take authority as truth, instead of truth as the authority”

    Ok you obviously have no clue waht you are talking about, this is the libratarian dream! Because there is no government! No ruling body! Because once the initial setup is complete you need no human labor. Get your facts straight..

    #15056
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    Sickor
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    Langford wrote:

    Granted Fresco does have some great ideas, there’s no doubt in my mind that he’s an inspiring futurist – its just, some of the ideas he has may not be as practical as they sound.

    If anyone reading this is interested in this guy, check out the Venus project online. He also has a documentary called ‘future by design’ – there he talks about his ideas and inventions, there are some really interesting designs and he has some interesting points of view on things.

    http://btjunkie.org/torrent/Future-By-Design-2006-DVDRip-XviD-aAF/43585ab8e39796d49447b387a0a9373cde56646c4cfc

    I think the reason he would like to see a world without money is to allow man to express his mind, and not just labour his life away. If people had no jobs (but also no need for money) they would find things to do, much like the ancient Greeks produced philosophers who’s thoughts still have an impact today.

    You have to agree, it would be great to live in a world where Art, music and philosophy were as common place as working a 9-5 in a dead end job. It would be great to be able to go to a ‘technology library’ and rent a camera as easily as you can rent a book.

    As an architecture student, I find real inspiration in the ‘out of the box’ ways he thinks and designs – systems such as the all-in-one sink/shower/toilet unit, which actively saves water, instead of just telling people to do so. Or building cone shaped structures in tornado hotspots, buildings that are almost immune to damage, normal houses are being destroyed and we’re rebuilding with houses that look almost identical.

    I’m not saying the Venus project’s ideas are the perfect path to take, of course there are some issues that need to be addressed, but there are some great lessons to be learned, (Plus his models are really cool! It’s nice to see some life-like seasteads instead of just CGI concepts)

    Edit – forgot to spell check!

    “They must find it difficult, those that take authority as truth, instead of truth as the authority”

    I agree 100%, its not perfect but it is a hell of a lot better than what we have today!

    #15059
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    Sickor wrote:

    Ok you obviously have no clue waht you are talking about, this is the libratarian dream! Because there is no government! No ruling body! Because once the initial setup is complete you need no human labor. Get your facts straight..

    Oh ya, the Venus Project’s government is a computer, you might be happy to know that I’m working on making such government software, and am avidly supporting it’s creation at the canadian pirate-party forums, perhaps I’ll also mention some of it at the Zeitgeist forums or something.

    Anyhow, I’ve somewhat mentioned it before but when Al Bielek went to the future, where he was living on an air-stead, the main city computer had a crystal body, and it was called the Lama, much like a buddhist Lama. The computer programmers actually was a special race of people, bred from a variety of master programmers, and people with genetic traits deemed favourable, I’m hoping on contributing or perhaps even founding such and such.

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    #15064
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    elspru wrote:

    Sickor wrote:

    Ok you obviously have no clue waht you are talking about, this is the libratarian dream! Because there is no government! No ruling body! Because once the initial setup is complete you need no human labor. Get your facts straight..

    Oh ya, the Venus Project’s government is a computer, you might be happy to know that I’m working on making such government software, and am avidly supporting it’s creation at the canadian pirate-party forums, perhaps I’ll also mention some of it at the Zeitgeist forums or something.

    Anyhow, I’ve somewhat mentioned it before but when Al Bielek went to the future, where he was living on an air-stead, the main city computer had a crystal body, and it was called the Lama, much like a buddhist Lama. The computer programmers actually was a special race of people, bred from a variety of master programmers, and people with genetic traits deemed favourable, I’m hoping on contributing or perhaps even founding such and such.

    calm aware desire choice love express intuit move

    thats great! you should probably mention it to the co-founder founder of the venus project, contact can be fond for her here http://www.thevenusproject.com/en/the-venus-project-introduction/contact

    and she does actually respond!

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    #15070
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    elspru wrote:

    Oh ya, the Venus Project’s government is a computer, you might be happy to know that I’m working on making such government software, and am avidly supporting it’s creation at the canadian pirate-party forums, perhaps I’ll also mention some of it at the Zeitgeist forums or something.

    Anyhow, I’ve somewhat mentioned it before but when Al Bielek went to the future, where he was living on an air-stead, the main city computer had a crystal body, and it was called the Lama, much like a buddhist Lama. The computer programmers actually was a special race of people, bred from a variety of master programmers, and people with genetic traits deemed favourable, I’m hoping on contributing or perhaps even founding such and such.

    calm aware desire choice love express intuit move

    Elspru, I think you may be confused

    In the Venus Project does not govern humans, because there are no laws. THe computer keeps track of resources, items, produces goods, transportation, all the neccessities of life. etc. But it does not make any laws, just wanted to clear that up incase of confusion.

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