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    Born from “economic crisis” and “political turmoil” asociated with the collaps of the roman empire – Venice called “the floating city” oriented to political autonomy, direct democracy, and sea trade and prospered for centuries – its history is a “how to do instruction” for seasteading.

    It grew so strong that not even the most powerful ruler europe ever saw (Charlemagne) could subdue it and failed in the intent. Its power was drawn from the de facto status of being the sea trade center of Europe with the rest of the world. (speak Byzantine and Islamic world in that time).

    Part of its magnificence and wealth was derivated from being a successful “major power-broker” for centuries but staying out of being “war territorry” itself due to its easy defendable “swamp position”.

    By the late 13th century, Venice was the most prosperous city in all of Europe. It had 36,000 sailors operating 3,300 ships, dominating Mediterranean commerce.

    The state of Venice was notable for its freedom from religious fanaticism, and retirement of leaders in case of political failure. Venice was quick to adopt inventions like the German printing press and embraced the new ideas and freedom of thoughts generated by books and their distribution.

    It finally declined in the 15. Century when Portugal became dominating European sea power – and the black death devastated Venice in 1348 and once again between 1575 and 1577 – a negative side effect of being a port city on international trade routes.

    Until today the Venice business model is sea oriented and successfully keeping a outstanding position under all cities in Europe. It still is perhaps the most elegant and refined city in Europe, greatly influencing art, architecture and literature.

    Read more about Venice: http://concretesubmarine.activeboard.com/t56710025/venice-italy-how-to-do-instructions-for-seasteading-from-his/

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    Sorry, i do not have $billions to re-create Venice, or even $millions to rent a room there.

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    Big things have small beginnings – in fact VENICE started as a “political interference free fishermen outpost in the swamps” then embraced “oceanic business” and “individual freedom” which made it powerful . It is only now – 1500 years later – that it has become expensive touristic and elite driven. My suggestion is to understand the IMPORTANCE of “interference free space”, “going oceanic”, “balancing and broker powers around you” whitout let them subdue your venture. This is pure seasteading politics gold proven and tested in History…
    The idea of “orienting to the ocean for business” and go for “interference free spaces” has not come up recently, it has 1500 years successful uninterrupted history in Venice. So we are not on the ground of “pipe dreams” and “science fiction” the quest for interference freedom, and offshoring, is old, a prooven concept and politically successful for millenia.

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    Venice called “the floating city” oriented to political autonomy, direct democracy
    It still is perhaps the most elegant and refined city in Europe, greatly influencing art, architecture and literature.

    Yes, very elegant and refined city that was full of slaves. Very democratic.


    Part of its magnificence and wealth was derivated from being a successful “major power-broker” for centuries but staying out of being “war territorry” itself due to its easy defendable “swamp position”.

    Venice Republic didn’t consist of one city, it had colonies and war was happening there.

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    Historicaly Venice is more recognized to be “part of the solution” than to be “part of the problem” in the transition from the “dark ages” to “enlightment” – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Ages_%28historiography%29
    It is also more recognized to be part of “trade and interchange” than part of “war and division”. Although i assume that in its role as “successful power broker” al sides have been played somehow, and to some extent, in 1500 years of turbulent history.

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    Historicaly Venice is more recognized to be “part of the solution” than to be “part of the problem” in the transition from the “dark ages” to “enlightment”

    Still, that doesn’t give anyone right to consider Venice Republic a democratic state. Maybe it was better than the others, but it isn’t enough to call country a democracy.
    Also, many historians now agree that “Dark Ages” is a misnomer and that they weren’t particularly dark. And I don’t see how Dark Ages are related to the discussion, slavery was widespread in Europe since the dawn of times.


    It is also more recognized to be part of “trade and interchange” than part of “war and division”. Although i assume that in its role as “successful power broker” al sides have been played somehow, and to some extent, in 1500 years of turbulent history.

    I’d say it’s more like the rulers of Venice considered war the logical continuation of trade. And why is it 1500 years, if the country was subdued by Napoleon?

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