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  • #1728
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    I would like to see what other peoples thoughts are on the idea of taking up a nomadic life trading goods and services on the open ocean and between ports. It would seem that all of the tecnology is available now to make such a lifestyle possible. It would even seem that corporations already do this to some extent with the cargo ships that carry the goods we all use. I think it would be interesting to see a ship that operates independent of a corperate structure and is rulled by the crew that calls it home. Such a ship could be used as a testbed for new technologies, procedures, and uses.

    #16720
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    I have no doubt it would be profitable. The avenues for profit are almost unlimited for a seasteading community.

    #16722
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    I have no doubt it would be profitable. The avenues for profit are almost unlimited for a seasteading community.

    perhaps u could elaborate for us?

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    Inventor of the “Bergstead”

    #16727
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    that “nomadic seasteading” is the best solution for the first generation of any seasteading venture. Not neccesarely as (or on) ships, but rather as highly self-sufficient human habitats based on mobile artificial floating islands that can navigate the World’s Oceans as independent oceanic territories.

    Of course that “The avenues for profit are almost unlimited for a seasteading community” (well said pie :) But most of the people have no clue about that. And for those who do,… maybe they should keep it that way.

    PS. Please don’t take “profit” only as in dollar amount,…

    #16728
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    OCEANOPOLIS wrote:

    that “nomadic seasteading” is the best solution for the first generation of any seasteading venture. Not neccesarely as (or on) ships, but rather as highly self-sufficient human habitats based on mobile artificial floating islands that can navigate the World’s Oceans as independent oceanic territories.

    Of course that “The avenues for profit are almost unlimited for a seasteading community” (well said pie :) But most of the people have no clue about that. And for those who do,… maybe they should keep it that way.

    PS. Please don’t take “profit” only as in dollar amount,…

    I agree with you that floating Islands would be the ideal solution to seasteading. However we need a place to start that can prove to others that the concept can work. While starting with a steel hulled ship doen’t leave room to grow, it does ofer enough space to act as a proof of concept. Such a venture could, in theory, provide tchnological and social improvments that could be directly used by an artifical island. Using a ship would mean that the idea of being self sustaining is unreachable but from what I’ve seen so far most people aren’t talking about that as a place to start.

    #16732
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    that the “self-sufficiency” subject was a bit neglected lately. Still, we had discussed it few years ago, and the general consensus was that self-sufficiency wouldn’t neccesarely mean that we will grow our own tomatoes, but rather generate enough income on a seastead so we can buy whatever we need. And I tend to agree with that.

    I don’t have problems starting on a ship. In fact, even that will be too big for my taste and budget :) I have proposed houseboats docked in a custom made float and anchored in sheltered costal waters for a low budget start up. Anything is better than nothing.

    http://photobucket.com/man_made_key

    http://s1181.photobucket.com/albums/x422/oceanopolis/HOUSEBOATSTEAD/

    #16733
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    I would like to see what other peoples thoughts are on the idea of taking up a nomadic life trading goods and services on the open ocean and between ports. It would seem that all of the tecnology is available now to make such a lifestyle possible. It would even seem that corporations already do this to some extent with the cargo ships that carry the goods we all use. I think it would be interesting to see a ship that operates independent of a corperate structure and is rulled by the crew that calls it home. Such a ship could be used as a testbed for new technologies, procedures, and uses.

    Certainly it would be great, that’s my long-term plan in many ways.

    Btw, Corporate means “united in one body” wheras a corporation is “persons united in a body for some purpose,” so just about any co-ordinated group of people could be described as such.

    It is possible alternative to have a society which is a “friendly asssociation with others” or “group of people living together in an ordered community” .

    Currently one of the main hurdles to nomadic trade, is that most yachts and small vessels are optimized for speed, rather than carrying capacity and longevity.

    The Phi-boat is desiged for use as a residential boat, which could be move slowly along a gyre, while a barrel catamaran goes on errands to land along the way, variously engaging in trade.

    Just as with any country, the main focus should be on being self-sufficient, only looking outwards to things we can’t provide ourselves.

    considering the relatively slow rate of progress for the main seastead ship, the main trade stuff would have to also be long-term, such as things made of solids, like jewels, tools, and electronics. Though food items with long shelf-life like dried-foods and spices are also viable.

    We with You are a Network, our goal to become technologically-enabled reproducible family communities. http://weyounet.info

    #16742

    The idea of a captain nemo float out is very closley related to a nomadic trade ship. A submerged vessel needs 5 times less engergy for propulsion than a surface ship of the same size would need. This makes submerged concepts ideal for moving large amount of goods with low energy use and unaffected by storms. The load capacity of a 20m surface yacht is just a few tons, in a 20m submarine yacht you have 100 tons load capacity – that sets you up to make a living as trader quite nicely.

    To read more about submarine yacht load capacity check here

    Wil

    concretesubmarine.com

    #16819
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    The idea of a captain nemo float out is very closley related to a nomadic trade ship. A submerged vessel needs 5 times less engergy for propulsion than a surface ship of the same size would need. This makes submerged concepts ideal for moving large amount of goods with low energy use and unaffected by storms. The load capacity of a 20m surface yacht is just a few tons, in a 20m submarine yacht you have 100 tons load capacity – that sets you up to make a living as trader quite nicely.

    To read more about submarine yacht load capacity check here

    Wil

    concretesubmarine.com

    I agree there are better alternatives that could eventually be made available. However I’m offering this up as a more realistic idea for the near future. In that regard this post may have been better suited to a diffrent category. The dreaming part of my idea would be the use of hydrogen for fuel, that’s produced from electrolysis, powered by electricity from a wind turbine and from a generator hooked to the propulsion.

    #16820
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    I forgot to mention that modern port facilities are mostly better suited to ships with a shallow draft. Which can be a problem for a submersible that has a deeper draft by weight.

    #16821

    Well, shipping channels for panmax size are built for ships with 12m draft… a 20 m submarine comes with 4,6m draft – so i am sure it will fit in most ports… but you have a point that if a submarine living space bubble exceeds the 100m size class – going into some secondary level ports could become a problem…but you can still anchor outside and come in with a tender – finally a sub will not need to enter a port to search protection like a ship does it can be a true nomadic concept for the high seas.

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