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  • #1105
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    Alan
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    In light of laws in some countries such as the U.S.A. and the U.K. which criminalize unapproved thoughts, it is always good to keep up on the state-of-the-art in mind reading:

    http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20427323.500-brain-scanners-can-tell-what-youre-thinking-about.html

    Actually, it might be worth noting that the intelligence communities and military in these countries often have such technologies several years before they are announced to the public.

    #9112
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    J.L.-Frusha
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    The problem with the idea of “Thought Police” is in the equipment. It can’t be done without direct contact. Nowhere are thoughts criminally enforceable. On the other hand, actions always speak louder than words… It’s not what someone ‘thinks’ it’s what they do.

    #9116
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    J.L.Frusha wrote:

    The problem with the idea of “Thought Police” is in the equipment. It can’t be done without direct contact.

    What basis do you have for saying this? I know non-contact EEGs have been developed, and that was decades ago, and while an EEG certainly doesn’t qualify as mind reading, it shows that non-contact brain scanning is more than possible.

    J.L.Frusha wrote:

    Nowhere are thoughts criminally enforceable. On the other hand, actions always speak louder than words… It’s not what someone ‘thinks’ it’s what they do.

    I wish that were true. Unfortunately my country (USA) has a long, long history of punishing people for mere ideas. Look at McCarthyism, or the abuse of the “mentally ill” (quotations used to imply people are labelled as such for being different or having unusual ideologies, then committed to instutitions that torture them into submission). And that’s a supposedly “free country.” Look at how the Soviet Union was, or how some of the Middle Eastern states still are… sorry, but in this world even your thoughts and opinions can get you into trouble, long before you take any action on them.

    Of course, they might not have officially outlawed these things, but that’s just a technicality… their are still social institutions in place to punish people for deviant ideas. You could also hide your thoughts and opinions, and then others wouldn’t know to punish you for them, but that’s still just a technicality… if you can’t express your ideas freely without fear then IMO they are effectively banned (or at least punishable).

    #9118
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    J.L.-Frusha
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    The only way they did it, was under very controlled conditions and then it was hard enough. In my bedroom, there’s a pair of computers, a clock, and external hard-drive, fluorescent lighting… Too much interferance. Worse, going down the road, with the engine, electronic controls, high-tension lines, yada yada.

    Many places shun radical ideas. They are a threat to the status-quo. People want stability, not change.

    BTW, I was born in Texas, I served in the US Army. I tried to re-up for Desert Shield… Have a brother that got shot in Iraq. Our family has hard-line bible-thumpers, atheists, Budhists and Paganists. We hardly go about rocking the boat, but we won’t be stomped, either. Those who are not Christians nod and agree and let it pass.

    By most standards McCarthyism is/was very disruptive and anti-social. Same for Fascism, Socialism and Naziism.

    Dude, relax, take a few deep breaths and realize, you now live in a fairly free society, where radicals that don’t threaten or harm themselves or others are able to say and do pretty much anything they want. The limit is harming someone, be it yourself or others. If you’re living somewhere intolerant, you can always move.

    #9150
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    Alan
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    J.L.Frusha wrote:
    Dude, relax, take a few deep breaths and realize, you now live in a fairly free society, where radicals that don’t threaten or harm themselves or others are able to say and do pretty much anything they want. The limit is harming someone, be it yourself or others. If you’re living somewhere intolerant, you can always move.

    It’s harder to move than you might imagine, especially to move some place where the U.S.A. does not have enough influence to persuade the local government to break their own laws in order to punish thought criminals.

    But you are right on one point – Ellmar doesn’t live in the U.S.A.

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