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  • #10420
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    OceanPhoenix
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    Shouri wrote:

    they can repel pirates perhaps but damage to seastead will be high most probably high enough to sink it.

    this is why I think the seastead should be a supported platform similar to an oil rig, but less oily

    #10429
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    Altaica
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    OceanPhoenix wrote:

    this is why I think the seastead should be a supported platform similar to an oil rig, but less oily

    Why don’t you just build your seastead on a uninhabited island?

    You’ll going to have the same territorial disputes with established states and islands is going to be bigger/safer/cheaper.

    Towers only go down to 3000 feet.

    #10431
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    Shouri
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    1km towers will more than suffice though there are dozens of shallow spots outside the EEZ’s of established states…

    And Ocean i was all for rig type steads too… but the fact is we won’t be left alone if we live in a rig, sealand is an exception and i don’t believe such incident will happen ever again…

    No one will care a family rig stationed in the middle of nowhere but once it becomes a thriving community sharks will gather for the feast…

    I think we should be starting a charity organization, something similar to Greenpeace but far less agressive and with more scientific reasoning. Charities which are accepted by public are mostly left alone in whatever they do, and it is the best shot to get more autonomy.

    Once we set up our rig community on Saya de Malha bank we can publish,broadcast documentaries about our work in banks…Like increasing coral mass, protection and revitalization of aquatic habitat… If we buy and produce our needs in Mauritius land for a while they won’t be too agressive too i guess since they will profit from it (even if it isn’t much), and within our publications and broadcasts we can always credit mauritius government and thank their government for their assistance even if they didn’t participate just to stay on their good side… I somehow lost my belief in sovereign seasteads, we can’t aggresively gain sov within this system, we must build up reputation as a respectable organization over time… (with ‘we’ i refer to anyone/organization that seriously plans to do this whole seasteading thing)

    We are all looking for funding by trying to prove there is potential profit in this project but i think our approach isn’t efficient on the long run, if people(nations) think seasteading is profitable we won’t be left alone out there. We should prioritize ecological benefits more than economic ones to reach our long term goal of Sovereignity. Though it is impossible to realize this goal without financial backing, that is why i halted my amateur research on seasteading and started thinking of ways to get some cash so that i can realize my own dream, already started 3 projects, importing used plastic from Iran(researching prices in 3rd world Africa nations atm), started a small plantation for passion fruits, researching cultivation of passion fruits, selling animal fats and leftover meat for industrial purposes..and ofcourse i am still running a cybercafe (though i am planning to shut it down within this year). Shortly i am trying to buy/sell everything i can profit from in my region, hopefully i will have enough cash to cough up when i am around 45-50 for my utopic 128 men seaplatform lol…

    Even though i think i am energetic i am not as energetic as to administer a charity foundation, if TSI evolves to some society similar to greenpeace as i mentioned above i belive funding through donations can increase dramatically with proper publicity, though it is unlikely i guess since TSI’s purpose is to turn seasteading into a market in the long run, i am not against it but that can destroy our dream of autonomy and turn this whole thing into another form of sailing.

    Sorry for going off topic..

    Our military is public opinion versus existing nations no other form of resistance is possible i think(unless we have the means to create a fully self-sustained atlantis economically and technically which is quite unlikely), and a little amount of countermeasures against piracy, which can be support from an existinbg nation(depends on our positive publicity in the neighbouring nation), stealth(submersible?), mobility(unlikely), militia(most probably), artilerry(i’d love that)

    #10433
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    elspru
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    Shouri wrote:

    I think we should be starting a charity organization, something similar to Greenpeace but far less agressive and with more scientific reasoning. Charities which are accepted by public are mostly left alone in whatever they do, and it is the best shot to get more autonomy.

    Firstly, I was under the impression Greenpeace got taken over by corporate interests a long time ago.

    Once we set up our rig community on Saya de Malha bank we can publish,broadcast documentaries about our work in banks…Like increasing coral mass, protection and revitalization of aquatic habitat… If we buy and produce our needs in Mauritius land for a while they won’t be too agressive too i guess since they will profit from it (even if it isn’t much), and within our publications and broadcasts we can always credit mauritius government and thank their government for their assistance even if they didn’t participate just to stay on their good side… I somehow lost my belief in sovereign seasteads, we can’t aggresively gain sov within this system, we must build up reputation as a respectable organization over time… (with ‘we’ i refer to anyone/organization that seriously plans to do this whole seasteading thing)

    Ya, that’s a nice thought.

    Be honourable and respectable,

    and the big nations will treat you nice.

    We are all looking for funding by trying to prove there is potential profit in this project but i think our approach isn’t efficient on the long run, if people(nations) think seasteading is profitable we won’t be left alone out there. We should prioritize ecological benefits more than economic ones to reach our long term goal of Sovereignity. Though it is impossible to realize this goal without financial backing,

    Actually money by itself is pretty useless.

    It’s the people and participants which realize the goal,

    by experiencing the fruition of their dreams,

    made manifest through thought and action.

    that is why i halted my amateur research on seasteading and started thinking of ways to get some cash so that i can realize my own dream, already started 3 projects, importing used plastic from Iran(researching prices in 3rd world Africa nations atm), started a small plantation for passion fruits, researching cultivation of passion fruits, selling animal fats and leftover meat for industrial purposes..and ofcourse i am still running a cybercafe (though i am planning to shut it down within this year). Shortly i am trying to buy/sell everything i can profit from in my region, hopefully i will have enough cash to cough up when i am around 45-50 for my utopic 128 men seaplatform lol…

    First I’d like to congratulate you on taking initiative,

    starting and maintaing some projects.

    Ya, well what if the poleshift happens before then?

    Will you be one of those people watching the tidal wave wash over the city,

    or will you be prepared with a water tight boat that can handle temporary submersion?

    It’s okay, we’ll have some warning,

    as the earth spins faster and earthquakes get more intense.

    All steming from the use of nuclear fission on this planet.

    Even though i think i am energetic i am not as energetic as to administer a charity foundation, if TSI evolves to some society similar to greenpeace as i mentioned above i belive funding through donations can increase dramatically with proper publicity, though it is unlikely i guess since TSI’s purpose is to turn seasteading into a market in the long run, i am not against it but that can destroy our dream of autonomy and turn this whole thing into another form of sailing.

    Ya? and what has Greenpeace accomplished?

    War on Carbon Dioxide? lol

    Ya they (illuminati financial backers) want you to stop breathing.

    Sorry for going off topic..

    Our military is public opinion versus existing nations no other form of resistance is possible i think(unless we have the means to create a fully self-sustained atlantis economically and technically which is quite unlikely), and a little amount of countermeasures against piracy, which can be support from an existinbg nation(depends on our positive publicity in the neighbouring nation), stealth(submersible?), mobility(unlikely), militia(most probably), artilerry(i’d love that)

    That’s on the right track.

    A self-sustaining replicating intentional community tribes are the way to go.

    Distributed and autonomous yet capable of gathering for missions.

    Power generation with oxyhydrogen storage, furnace, a few hand tools and a bag of seeds,

    civilization in your boat brother, reproduce it.

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    #10435
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    Altaica
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    Shouri wrote:

    Our military is public opinion versus existing nations no other form of resistance is possible i think(unless we have the means to create a fully self-sustained atlantis economically and technically which is quite unlikely), and a little amount of countermeasures against piracy, which can be support from an existinbg nation(depends on our positive publicity in the neighbouring nation), stealth(submersible?), mobility(unlikely), militia(most probably), artilerry(i’d love that)

    Shouri wrote:
    Any effort for evading these taxes are futile as well as any attempt to resist this government.

    So your brilliant idea is to do nothing but to bitch about the current situation except to bitch about it.

    You have other options. They just jeopardize your belongings so you don’t want to choose them.

    #10438
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    Shouri
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    Nop i don’t have any other options, even if i tried to fight about it i will lose the fight…it really seems that you don’t know what futile means…

    Their corrupt system is solid there is no hope to change it.

    And seriously who do you think you are anyways criticizing everyone with your limited knowledge, cite who you are your profession!

    You can’t speak english well, most of your ideas are nothing but other people’s ideas, you don’t have an ounce of creativity what makes you think you can criticize everyone around?

    #10451
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    Altaica
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    Shouri wrote:
    Nop i don’t have any other options, even if i tried to fight about it i will lose the fight…it really seems that you don’t know what futile means…

    “Whatever you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it.” Mahatma Gandhi

    Their corrupt system is solid there is no hope to change it.

    Shouri wrote:
    And seriously who do you think you are anyways criticizing everyone with your limited knowledge, cite who you are your profession!

    Spiritual Midwife?

    Shouri wrote:
    You can’t speak english well, most of your ideas are nothing but other people’s ideas, you don’t have an ounce of creativity what makes you think you can criticize everyone around?

    Ever read Plato’s Theaetetus?

    #10461
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    J.L.-Frusha
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    Perhaps an idea, in and of itself, isn’t unique. Individual application, on the other hand, is situational. As for who speaks what language well, I know Americans that can’t spell or string sentences together too well… Let’s try to be positive, try to understand and not get hung-up on BS…

    It’s the combination of ideas that work, that count… What works for one, is often inaccessable to another. How to cut the grass, depends entirely on the skills and equipment available. How to fight or prevent invaders is truly an individual decision.

    Me? I am in America and well trained in using rifles and hand-guns. Revolutions have been fought with gardening tools. Myamoto Musashi promoted the ability to use any tool that you know and understand, as weapons. He beat, in single-combat 12-18 armed warriors, with an oar… In one morning, while going to see about getting hired by their boss… He went unarmed and used what was at hand.

    Later,

    J.L.F.

    If you can’t swim with the big fish, stick to the reef

    #10500
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    Shouri
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    Let’s not forget those armed warriors weren’t actually pointing RPGs to him though ;) Chivalry, Bushido or whatever…no trace of them exists in this time and age’s warfare. And i wouldn’t compare fighting with an oar against sword using warriors with seastead fighting against rpgs or light artilery(being optimistic here). And i don’t intend to be rude or anything, seriously but his attitude finally get me to change my attitude too, people commenting on each others way of living without knowing any circumstances surrounding the other side truly pisses me off.

    I agree with your idea advocating relativity, however i don’t think we have too many ways to succesfuly defend ourselves (i admit there are multiple ways but…)

    For example i think this part is agreed by everyone at least:

    Against a 1st world nation we simply can’t defend unless we don’t have positive global PR.

    Against pirates or Tongaish nations defence may be relative.

    #10518
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    Altaica
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    Shouri wrote:

    Against a 1st world nation we simply can’t defend unless we don’t have positive global PR.

    We can’t defend against a 1st world nation period.

    and no one can defend against a 1st world nation is it is lacking positive global PR.

    We might be able to defend against a 2nd world State if we have positive global PR.

    Shouri wrote:
    people commenting on each others way of living without knowing any circumstances surrounding the other side truly pisses me off.

    “The only stupid question is the one not asked”

    You can’t blame people for being ignorant about that which you refuse to talk to them about.

    οὐκ ἐμοῦ, ἀλλá½° τοῦ λόγου ἀκούσαντας ὁμολογεῖν σο­φόν ἐστιν ἓν πάντα εἶναί

    #10520
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    Shouri
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    I don’t refuse to talk about anything Altaica seriously it is not something i can simply summarize and write, you must come here, live here, start a business here and experience it for yourself. As you have said we can’t defend against 1st world nation ‘period’. and here is my fact..You can not fight against the government here ‘period’ because the majority of the population is uneducated thus democratic ways fail, since the population’s and military’s majority is supporting the government it is simply impossible, this is the best short explanation i can give though.

    Reason for most people to be here including me: We have no hope for changing the system we live in thus we want to create something new from scratch…

    #10529
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    Should I feel bad that I’ve created this monster of a thread? Anyway, it seems a logical conclusion then, to go with a volunteer army with basic arms(guns) and equipment(armour/uniforms/training facilities) supplied by a central government.

    If they’re organized like an Infantry unit,(IIRC, every army on the planet has an infantry unit as their 1st Battalion so it’s pretty conventional), they could very effectively defend a seastead from anything short of a 1st world nation.

    That frees up additional resources for the seastead to produce as much positive PR as possible that will hopefully prevent harrassment from 1st world nations.

    The alternative of course, is as someone said to me while visiting Singapore, “Hire blackwater, buy them assault boats, and tell them to shoot to sink anything that enters our territorial waters without permission”.

    King Shannon of the Constitutional Monarchy of Logos.

    #10532
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    wohl1917
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    ‘Monster’ or not, this is and has been a pretty fun thread. Welcome back by the way!

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    If a nation wanted to take control of a seastead they might start with a cyber attack, planting incriminating “stuff” on seastead computers so they had a “ligitimate excuse to come in and do whatever they wanted, if that fails a special forces team could come aboard unseen and sabotage necessary equipment, a blockade intended to starve the seastead into submission would also be effective.

    #10537
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    Shouri
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    Blockade would probably fail since most people are already designing self sustaining platforms. As for cyber attacks a seastead needs their very own alien protocol when connecting to internet, also encyrpt their data in alien ways, a brand new language is perhaps needed too if you are planning IT to be your seastead’s main revenue. Special forces coming aboard unseen…this is a design problem i guess, can be handled pretty easily. Anyways i doubt anynation would bother to go that far for a small seastead, victor is always right afterall… or should i say ‘Might is Right!’

    I always thought mercenaries are one of the main answers to this thread.

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