Topic: Stadion Seastead, plate seastead, deeploaded seastead

Stadion Seastead, plate seastead, deeploaded seastead

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January 26, 2011 at 12:39 pm #1443
ellmer	Alan wrote: No offense, but we’ve already had some of these discussions, and as others have said – the raised platform designs are just too expensive. Ellmer has given us lots of great ideas, and one that I like involves a deep loaded structure in the shape of a giant bowl. We could have an open air park in the middle that would actually be below sea-level, because a wall would be all the way around and well above sea level. The structure would have the benefits of being protected from wave action while also having the benefits of being most land-like. Throw in some wave-powered generators that can double as breakwaters, and you’ve gone a long way towards having an independent seastead.
January 26, 2011 at 1:17 pm #12385
ellmer	The plate seastead was presented at this thread ( seasteading.org/interact/forums/engineering/tsi-engineering/open-ocean-capeable-living-space-bubble ) Its engineering is a derivate of the rion-antirion bridge pylon (photos 1 and 2) , it might be envisioned like in photo 3, 4, 5 ranging from family house size to city size. It would have a considerable part of its volume below the surface although the inhabitants would live below the waterline without noticing it having still a blue sky overhead and being protected from the sea. The look and feel of the space would be similar to a football stadion. The plate seastead can also be made a more mobile concept by bringing the plate shape nearer to ship shape… Wil concretesubmarine.com European Submarine Structures AB
February 27, 2011 at 4:48 am #12755
Alan	Sorry for not replying earlier – I just noticed this thread now. I very much like these designs, though of course it would be a while before we could get to a full city-sized version. Still, we might get a small-town sized version within the next decade or so. There are cruise ships now that can handle 5000 passengers or more. How to get from here to there, however, remains the problem. I wish I could think of a good business model that would support a seastead.
March 16, 2011 at 9:44 am #12864
Langford	Granted having a seastead under the water line will provide great stability, and probably several other positives that I’ve missed. However, my only promlems with this concept are: 1. People who come to live at sea are going to want sea views, if below the water line this concept would deny them that. 2. your going to need some huge walls surrounding the seastead i assume? to stop huge waves crashing over and filling the ‘bowl’ shaped structure, apart from limiting the views of the residents, its not really very aesthtically pleasing. is there any other way to prevent the waves? obviosuly a certain wall high must be used, but it shouldnt feel like some sort of aqua-prison I think most people considering the design of a seastead either go down the route of function and practicality only or the opposite and only look at the aesthetics, a true winning design would have a mix of both. Considering the long term structural stability along the wants and needs of the residents. (They dont need a sea view, but they will sure as hell want it). Just a few ideas that ive been considering, i don’t usually post because i dont usualy have much information to contribute. If you’re wondering, im an architectural technology student.
March 16, 2011 at 12:56 pm #12866
shredder7753	about deeploaded structures, i thought the idea was not to build a really high wall but to have a breakwater around the perimeter. ____________ My work
March 16, 2011 at 1:37 pm #12868
R-B-Wood	I don’t know about you, but I woud want a high wall. Though a high wall could have 2 functions: It would protect you from high waves and you could have living space in the wall with windows looking out, then you’d have your ocean views if you really want to loook at nothing but a horizon. I think I would rather have views to the interior, especially if the wall was the living space and the interior was some sort of park.
March 16, 2011 at 2:25 pm #12869
ellmer	Freedom of the Seas has inside and outside looking living space – the percentage is driven by the cost factor – having outside looking living space high above waterline with big area windows means a big wind attack surface and fuel cost. So it is not a design nor a preference question – you can have and design whatever you are willing (and able) to pay for… inside looking designs and small window area seawalls combined with a deeploaded structure – is MUCH more economic to build and run … seasteads for “housing purpose” can only happen at “housing cost” – seasteads with cruiseship design will need “cruiseship budgets” – there is a cost factor difference factor of 1000 or more in the “squaremeter living space cost” involved when we talk about “different designs”. Any realistic talk about “seabased living space for housing purpose” needs to be kind of automaticly a talk about “lowest possible squaremeter price for a seaworthy structure” … all seaworthy structures “out there” are not even remotly near “housing market squaremeter prices” – so seasteading must be different to anything existing (cruise, oil, yacht) for “cost viability reasons” – if average joe can not do it, it is not “settlement” it is just “billionaire toy” and does not have ANY society impact. e Wil concretesubmarine.com
March 16, 2011 at 4:52 pm #12870
caveden	ellmer wrote: How would a structure like this get rid of rain water?
March 16, 2011 at 5:34 pm #12871
shredder7753	Couple answers: hippie freak: “Well you would want to use the rain water to feed the plants. Feeding the plants is the right thing to do.” engineer: “Collect the water, use what you need, pump the rest into the ocean.” ellmer: “We cant afford pumps. Those are for billionaires.” ____________ My work
March 17, 2011 at 2:39 am #12874
ellmer	shredder, i know your approach is – then do it for billionairs only – problem is – billionairs will not move into a “overpriced condo on stilts” they have a independent, mobil, aquatic, lifestyle already – we call it megayachts. They don’t need our movement for doing anything – only average joe needs a seasteading movement to get mobile, independent, tax free, ocean based. So if we don’t find a way to go low cost – we don`t go any where. The key is to dream within realistic frames. For doing so you must have clear what is your “market” and what do you have to compete with. For seasteading the market is average joes housing needs (and budgets) the competition is land based housing solutions. – this does not leave a lot of space for wild phantasy and sets frames like cost per ton of structure, maintenance per year, fuel cost per head, pretty tight … and these factors drive design and viability – the rest is for the “crazy idea daydreamer section”. Wil
March 17, 2011 at 5:00 am #12875
OCEANOPOLIS	Lets stop dreaming for a second and face reality. And the reality is that seasteading, in the beginning, is only going to happen @ the individual level, meaning that one day, one single individual will bite the bullet and plan, finance, buy (or construct) his own seastead, and try to make it on it, no matter how big it is, or where it is. Why? Because the perfect successful example on the subject is Rishi Sowa’s Spiral Island. http://spiralislanders.info/, and the perfect unsuccessful example is us, here. Personally, I had decided to follow successful examples in my life, so I will go my own way. Wishing you the best of luck, gentlemen!
March 17, 2011 at 6:31 am #12876
shredder7753	billionaires and megamillionaires can afford gigantic yachts. but which is a bigger market; megamillionaires, or just plain multimillionaires? lets talk about multimillionaires (people who have assets from 1-10 million dollars). believe it or not this is a fucking huge market. MUCH bigger than the megamillionaires. they’re the people you dont hear about all the time because they are not celebrities. many of these people have boats, but rarely are they going to be more than 40′. when you are in this bracket you might afford a speedboat, a pleasureboat, many kinds of boats. what you cant afford is a personal ocean-going yacht. if someone introduces you to a place where for just 1-2 million dollars your family of four can live in relative safety away from existing states forever, you might just be interested. especially if it was set up like a condo where you can pay a reasonable fee to insure hassle-free living! 1-2 million is not too much for a lot of people – look at the going rates for all these simple boats: yachtworld.com custom search – turns out $2M doesnt get you that far at the yacht dealership. but i believe it CAN get you far on a seastead! Rich ellmer wrote: shredder, i know your approach is – then do it for billionairs only – problem is – billionairs will not move into a “overpriced condo on stilts” they have a independent, mobil, aquatic, lifestyle already – we call it megayachts. They don’t need our movement for doing anything – only average joe needs a seasteading movement to get mobile, independent, tax free, ocean based. So if we don’t find a way to go low cost – we don`t go any where. The key is to dream within realistic frames. For doing so you must have clear what is your “market” and what do you have to compete with. For seasteading the market is average joes housing needs (and budgets) the competition is land based housing solutions. – this does not leave a lot of space for wild phantasy and sets frames like cost per ton of structure, maintenance per year, fuel cost per head, pretty tight … and these factors drive design and viability – the rest is for the “crazy idea daydreamer section”. Wil ____________ My work
March 17, 2011 at 6:37 am #12877
TheTimPotter	Hey Ocean, funny you should bring up spiral island right now. I’m kind of getting sick of all this talk with no action either, and Rishi has by far the best island out of any of us so I’m going to follow his lead. I mean, the dude was busking on the streets and now he has built his second island. The first of which was a garden paradise growing on salt water. Absolutely inspiring. I dropped my classes today and I’m headed out to Tennessee to join someone who already has an island that just needs to get in the water. We’re going to float it down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico where it is mellow. From there we will keep adding to it until it is sea worthy. Will it work? Is it the best idea? I don’t know, but at least I will feel better for having tried something. I wasn’t going to bring it up until I was actually there schlepping everything to the river bank (you know how plans can fall through), but the timing was too good.
March 17, 2011 at 7:35 am #12879
elspru	Hey Ocean and Tim the Potter, keep us updated on your success stories, if the internet knows, it’s a contribution to all of us. calm aware desire choice love express intuit move
March 17, 2011 at 11:29 am #12880
vincecate	shredder7753 wrote: 1-2 million is not too much for a lot of people – look at the going rates for all these simple boats: yachtworld.com custom search – turns out $2M doesnt get you that far at the yacht dealership. but i believe it CAN get you far on a seastead! That search limited boat length to 60 feet. If you take that limit off you can find all sorts of interesting things: http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/cache/searchResults.jsp?cit=true&slim=quick&ybw=&sm=3&searchtype=advancedsearch&Ntk=boatsEN&Ntt=&is=&type=%28Power%29&man=&hmid=0&ftid=0&enid=0&fromLength=&toLength=600&luom=126&fromYear=&toYear=&fromPrice=1%2C000%2C000&toPrice=3%2C000%2C000&currencyid=100&city=&pbsint=&boatsAddedSelected=-1 Even nice yachts: http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/cache/searchResults.jsp?sm=3&searchtype=advancedsearch&Ntk=boatsEN&ftid=0&N=3956&enid=0&hmid=0&type=%28Power%29&boatsAddedSelected=-1&slim=quick&currencyid=100&fromPrice=1%2C000%2C000&luom=126&toLength=600&cit=true&toPrice=3%2C000%2C000 http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/cache/searchResults.jsp?sm=3&searchtype=advancedsearch&Ntk=boatsEN&ftid=0&N=3945&enid=0&hmid=0&type=%28Power%29&boatsAddedSelected=-1&slim=quick&currencyid=100&fromPrice=1%2C000%2C000&luom=126&toLength=600&cit=true&toPrice=3%2C000%2C000