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  • #15052
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    shredder7753
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    seasteaders dont need 6 foot holes.

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    #15053
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    elspru wrote:

    emmettvm wrote:

    what about the Magnetosphere? Scientists say the earth’s magnetosphere is in the begining changes of a pole reversal, or at least they think that is what is happening. There are also indicators that the core of the earth is slowing down, and they arent sure how that fits into the picture, from what Ive read.

    At the current rate of decline, another 2,000 years and we have no magnetosphere, no shield against cosmic radiation, no life on earth. Not even extremeophiles. Even a pole shift would cause serious problems, from super-high cancer rates to mass extinction, maybe even of us.

    after the pole-shift the magnetosphere will reinvigorate itself.

    As you may recall Noah along with many others like him, were okay with the flood.

    One of the reasons it’s convenient to have a boat in case of pole-shift, is that you may find yourself at an unusual latitude, with the boat can move back to the prefered latitude.

    submerisble ships with anti-gravity drives could conceivably become space-ships.

    Admiral Byrd’s fleet to Antarctica (operation High-Jump) was attacked by flying saucers that came out of the water.

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    I agree, only because I just saw an entire show on it on the Science Channel,

    The magnosphere will re-build itself fairly quickly, and its not like it will all of a sudden disapear, so we will have plenty of warning and can build under-ground shelters or bunkers to protect our selves. SO the sun is definetley the most major thing that will make us move off of this planet. I’ve heard some say global climate change but even then we would have to change how we live, but not leave.

    “They must find it difficult, those that take authority as truth, instead of truth as the authority”

    #15057
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    emmettvm wrote:

    elspru, elspru, elspru. Its not the effects after a pole shift Im worried about, but the effects during. Whether it rebuilt or not (which history suggests it would, yes), magnetosphere reduction during a pole shift could cook you so well done you wont need a boat or much of anything other than a 6 foot hole.

    I have already burrowed a cave that exceeds 6ft in length, and has a chamber I can fit into. It’s on the side of a steep cliff, and dug-upwards so should experience good drainage.

    More recently I’ve come to the understanding that an elaborate cavenetwork that is available is the sewers/storm-drains, which can be used with the help of a crowbar. So if you see Nibiru (comet elenin) burning in the sky, the winds are picking up, and electronics are going haywire, one relatively safe place to go is the storm-drain. Of course some others might get the same idea, though with the whole “dumbining down education-systems” it may be fewer than you think.

    Oh yes, one of the main issues with pole-shifts, is that if they happen very quickly, the oceans tend to slosh around a bit, so if you’re near the coast, the storm-drains could actually get filled up.

    During the Tsunami that hit Indonesia/Thailand, some of the people that were safest were scuba-divers, who simply witnessed the tidal-waves overhead. So having a submarine could be an effective strategy, in case large volumes of water decide to migrate onto the land, which could beach coastal submarine inhabitatns, I’d still suggest anchoring it, or being fairly far out to sea.

    Actually even surface floats were generally okay, as the tsunami in the ocean was merely a larger than average wave, which the boats simply floated over.

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    #15061
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    Sickor wrote:

    HopDavid wrote:

    Sickor wrote:

    Obama says we are on track to start mining asteroid by 2025,

    Cite? I’ve heard of vague goals for flags and footprints to an NEO. No plans to start mining though.

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    I’m supposed to take everything that rolls off your keyboard as the undisputed truth?

    Sorry. No can do.

    Sickor wrote:
    sorry misread my source, he wants to land on the asteroid but many people believe he will want to mine resources off of it…

    It’s plausible we’ll do a flags and footprints publicity stunt in Obama’s lifetime. But mining an asteroid is much more difficult than flags and footprints.

    At any rate, Obama’s proposals met stiff resistance. It looks like Senator Shelby et al have succeeded in putting funding back into Constellation style HLVs. Returning to the Apollo paradigm may keep congressmen’s constituents employed but very little to further space settlement.

    Sickor wrote:
    and it makes sense becuase what other reason is there to really go there?

    Public policy isn’t always sensible.

    #15066
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    HopDavid wrote:

    I’m supposed to take everything that rolls off your keyboard as the undisputed truth?

    Sorry. No can do.

    Fair enough.

    HopDavid wrote:

    Public policy isn’t always sensible.

    While this is true many times, I have disagree with you on this senario. Mainly because it costs wayyyy to much money to just go to an asteroid for shits and giggles, and to put a flag and say we did it. My guess is that we are getting something out of it, and I think many other people realized the same thing, and thought mining. SO what ever rich guy thought about funding it knows that there has to be something he would get out of it.

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    #15080
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    HopDavid
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    Sickor wrote:
    HopDavid wrote:

    Public policy isn’t always sensible.

    While this is true many times, I have disagree with you on this senario. Mainly because it costs wayyyy to much money to just go to an asteroid for shits and giggles, and to put a flag and say we did it.[/quote]

    So why did we send the Apollo astronauts to the moon?

    Sickor wrote:
    My guess is that we are getting something out of it, and I think many other people realized the same thing, and thought mining. SO what ever rich guy thought about funding it knows that there has to be something he would get out of it.

    What rich guy? Obama’s vague goal of going to an asteroid in his lifetime would be funded by taxpayers.

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    #15093
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    HopDavid wrote:

    So why did we send the Apollo astronauts to the moon?

    We sent them for politcal reasons! Remeber the whole space race thing? It was all to show that America was superior to the Soviet Union! Especially since they were the “”bad guys” at the time. It was all international relations and politics. ANd money at the root of it of course. Not to mention it got NASA a whole lot of funding, remeber the soviets were supposedly using space satelites to “spy” on us, thats what launched this entire thing, the cold war and all.

    HopDavid wrote:

    What rich guy? Obama’s vague goal of going to an asteroid in his lifetime would be funded by taxpayers.

    Hop, do you know that almost every cent of our income tax goes to paying our debts? Not to funding any sort of programs! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytg9RXSil0Q and http://www.devvy.com/notax.html

    Nothing major happens without the rich guy’s ok. ANd when I say rich guy I mean the corporations and the families that have been here since year 1, like the rockefellers and JP Morgan etc. They make sure all of these programs get funded because they get something out of them. in reality we have an invisible government that runs our government. You want proof?, watch the zeitgeist movies.

    What they get out of them, I don’t know. But it is all in the name of business and that is for sure.

    So would the tax payers be funding it partly? yes

    but this is all off topic of space steading. I really like the idea but the current monetary system is holding us back!

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    #15094
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    Ken Sims
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    Sickor wrote:

    but this is all off topic of space steading.

    You’re right about that, so let’s all drop the politics and not get this discussion side-tracked like the other one.

    Ken

    #15095
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    I don’t get the chance to look often so I had to wade through the mess on the last thread and such. I was asked for a cite on the space only engine development that could do the Mars/Ceres trip in under six weeks. Current estimate is Mars in 39 days and Ceres a couple weeks more. It is called the VASIMIR and is being tested on the ISS currently. The company is Ad Astra, which is headed by a former astronaut, and you can google it easily.

    There are also a variety of other techs close to or at a usable stage and I understand that many do not keep up with such things but that is my job. Most of it can be quickly googled. Such things as the artificial magnetosphere being developed being developed in Britain (and elsewhere), space applications for Hyperion power modules, and Bigelow habitats aren’t even all that new. The news from Ad Astra is at least a year or two old now for instance.

    I have found that most don’t really ‘keep up’ on this stuff and that is understandable as I have only two hands and 24 hours myself. Hunting for a hoard of specific links for people is something i’m not going to do but I will be happy to supply key words and such as well as my old noggin can remember them when asked… and by the way… my comment that the moon was taken had nothing to do with anything but people and nations proclivities. I didn’t participate in the foolishness as far as I know.

    Hopefully it won’t take another week or two to check here again and the thread will still be here… cheers till then.

    #15099
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    Shouri
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    When you are as rich as Rockefellers and such, one’s point of view to might changes, for poor might is to survive, for normal people like us might is usually the amount of money one has, for rich might is contacts, for rich people with sufficient contacts, might is knowledge, and finally might is power(literally, electricity). Money is a tool not the purpose, a tool to for anyone to make their dreams, idiologies come true, ofcourse they fund space programs and such similar projects, cos they exist( i follow Descartes here, they think therefore they are, they need to imagine, think wider than others to feel that their existence is more significant), their money, contacts give them acces to almost all current data, they need new data, money can’t give satisfaction to someone sane if you don’t use it but i’ve seen many people who feels eupheria by learning/discovering/inventing something significant i myself find most satisfaction by learning and broadening my vision. In our present world, you can either learn or buy information, oddly the latter is more efficient, and you can buy power with money(though the amount you can buy is limited to power that is available without contacts, i mean electricity with power again) and if you have contacts or enough money to hire such contacts with these three components you can make almost any dream come true. Since Rockefellar doesn’t need to count his money and his family is in a ruling lobby(which is a fact no need to argue about it i guess, they have the authority to press money as far as i remember) for a long while what he can do and want is limited to what he knows. Thus it is only neutral for him and people like him to fund novel projects.

    Seasteading becomes a symbol of hope for; poor if it gives them a place to survive, normal people if it gives them a job to earn some bucks, for rich if it gives them a place to have fun and socially interact with people with similar social status. Generally it either needs to produce new knowledge, feasible energy or sufficient money to buy the first two, easiest is the first since the experience of living on sea permanently itself is a new data, same goes for spacesteading

    #15107
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    Renny wrote:
    Current estimate is Mars in 39 days and Ceres a couple weeks more. It is called the VASIMIR and is being tested on the ISS currently.

    VASIMR’s 39 day trip to Mars relies on a power source that can deliver 2 kilowatts of electricity per kilogram. Which isn’t doable.

    #15154
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    Actually… adapted Hyperion modules and other nuclear based techs can do just that. The problems are political… not technological… as usual.

    Your link talks mostly about solar etc… when talking such low grade and traditional power sources of course it would be undoable. Seasteading conversations and their relationship to space habitation should be by nature out of the box thinking, cutting edge, and politically edgy. Treaties and such notwithstanding, these are easily developed solutions I am speaking of. As with most such things the problems rapidly become financial and political…. otherwise it would already have happened.

    #15157
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    I think we should make a deathstar. Very very costly, and I mean in the septillions, but that’s why I hope we get rid of the monetary system and we can get bots or something and people who are just willing to build it for the advancment of the human race. I am definitely willing to.

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    sigh

    #15164
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    Renny wrote:

    Actually… adapted Hyperion modules and other nuclear based techs can do just that. The problems are political… not technological… as usual.

    Your link talks mostly about solar etc… when talking such low grade and traditional power sources of course it would be undoable. Seasteading conversations and their relationship to space habitation should be by nature out of the box thinking, cutting edge, and politically edgy. Treaties and such notwithstanding, these are easily developed solutions I am speaking of. As with most such things the problems rapidly become financial and political…. otherwise it would already have happened.

    You evidently haven’t heard of Kirk Sorensen, the fellow who was calling VASIMR’s power source undoable. I don’t think Sorensen’s infallible. But his opinion is more informed than yours, I believe.

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