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  • #1609
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    shredder7753
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    lets get the party started. who thinks we need spacesteading?

    #15002
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    Mad-Dog-Tannen
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    I want to live in a world like the show “Firefly.” So yes, we need spacesteading, time yesterday.

    #15005
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    Dervogel707
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    I think spacesteading would be very very amazing and we are moving towards it with new technology. Heck, we may even have the technology as the gov hides that. We,as humans, must soread our race throughout space..

    #15007
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    HopDavid
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    shredder7753 wrote:

    lets get the party started. who thinks we need spacesteading?

    Our planet’s resources are finite. Human ingenuity can find ways to better exploit our finite resources, but there are limits to what we can do. Sooner or later our economic growth will level off as we slide deeper into the logistic curve.

    Jeff Greason argues we need a frontier. A frontier has an immense psychological benefit: The knowledge that we’re not limited to a null sum game. He gives that argument starting at around 13.24 of this video.

    I disagree with Greason on one point, though. Space isn’t our next frontier, the oceans are far more accessible. Space will come after the oceans.

    To exploit space, we will need to use teleoperated equipment. Transporting humans and their habitats to surfaces of other bodies is too expensive.

    But once we have the infrastructure to mine and export propellant, travel beyond Low Earth Orbit becomes far less difficult. Further, teledevices able to do mining can also build habitats. Thus telerobots could enable a prolonged human presence on another body rather than the temporary sortie mission.

    It seems to me NOAA is advancing the telerobotic state of the art much more than NASA. NASA’s human spaceflight program is still BFR: Big F****** Rockets. The Apollo paradigm is good for sortie missions but it’s too expensive for the sustained effort space settlement would require. So I see NOAA’s efforts as more helfpul to eventual human space settlement than NASA’s program.

    If we do make sufficiently able teledevices to do remote mining, I would argue the moon is the first place they could be used. The moon is constantly 3 light seconds away. All other bodies you’re stuck with much longer reaction times. Also the moon’s proximity enables good bandwidth.

    Finally, the most valuable space resource is water. Mostly because of Tsiolkovsky’s rocket equation. But the need for radiation shielding and for life support also makes water valuable. And it looks like the lunar poles have lots of water

    #15009
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    Dervogel707
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    Please dont bring up the moon.

    #15011
    Avatar of Mad-Dog-Tannen
    Mad-Dog-Tannen
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    Dervogel707 wrote:

    Please dont bring up the moon.

    now that was funny. you win points back for having a sense of humor, and I formally appologize for my words in the previous thread.

    #15012
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    Ken Sims
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    shredder7753 wrote:

    lets get the party started. who thinks we need spacesteading?

    I do. In fact I would prefer spacesteading to seasteading, however there are a lot more problems to overcome. I think seasteading is a necessary step on the path to spacesteading. That’s why I’m involved here, rather than with some spacesteading organization.

    Long range (decades to centuries), I think expansion into space is going to become a necessity.

    #15014
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    Dervogel707
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    I doubt I will be alive to see the day we colonize space but space colonaztion is definitely an answer if we face a major problem on Earth, so bad it can no longer support life.

    #15024
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    I said everything I needed to say in the other thread, but I’ll leave you with this last quote:

    Whether it happens in a hundred years or a thousand years or a million years, eventually our Sun will grow cold and go out. When that happens, it won’t just take us. It’ll take Marilyn Monroe, and Lao-Tzu, and Einstein, and Morobuto, and Buddy Holly, and Aristophanes, and – all of this – all of this – was for nothing. Unless we go to the stars.

    - Jeffrey David Sinclair, Commander, Babylon 5 station

    #15034
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    i_is_j_smith wrote:

    I said everything I needed to say in the other thread, but I’ll leave you with this last quote:

    Whether it happens in a hundred years or a thousand years or a million years, eventually our Sun will grow cold and go out. When that happens, it won’t just take us. It’ll take Marilyn Monroe, and Lao-Tzu, and Einstein, and Morobuto, and Buddy Holly, and Aristophanes, and – all of this – all of this – was for nothing. Unless we go to the stars.

    - Jeffrey David Sinclair, Commander, Babylon 5 station

    yes eventually we will have to either perish or move out of the solar system, but that is not forn another few billion years, and actually when the sun expands into a “red giant” as they are called it will consume earth so i’m not quite sure when that is estimated to happen but we will have to move before that. Obama says we are on track to start mining asteroid by 2025, I think thats a bunch of BS since the gloabl financial will be on the verge of collapsing if it hasn’t already done so, not to mention the recent shut down of NASA.

    “They must find it difficult, those that take authority as truth, instead of truth as the authority”

    #15036
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    HopDavid
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    Sickor wrote:
    Obama says we are on track to start mining asteroid by 2025,

    Cite? I’ve heard of vague goals for flags and footprints to an NEO. No plans to start mining though.

    #15040
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    Sickor
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    HopDavid wrote:

    Sickor wrote:

    Obama says we are on track to start mining asteroid by 2025,

    Cite? I’ve heard of vague goals for flags and footprints to an NEO. No plans to start mining though.

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    “They must find it difficult, those that take authority as truth, instead of truth as the authority”

    sorry misread my source, he wants to land on the asteroid but many people believe he will want to mine resources off of it…and it makes sense becuase what other reason is there to really go there? I originally heard him say the words “The budget I have proposed gives NASA the resources to develop technology to allow us to reach and to mine asteroids” I watched this on tv (On CSPAN) a while back but i CAN’T FIND IT :(

    so my bad…sorry

    #15041
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    Mad-Dog-Tannen
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    what about the Magnetosphere? Scientists say the earth’s magnetosphere is in the begining changes of a pole reversal, or at least they think that is what is happening. There are also indicators that the core of the earth is slowing down, and they arent sure how that fits into the picture, from what Ive read.

    At the current rate of decline, another 2,000 years and we have no magnetosphere, no shield against cosmic radiation, no life on earth. Not even extremeophiles. Even a pole shift would cause serious problems, from super-high cancer rates to mass extinction, maybe even of us.

    #15046
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    elspru
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    emmettvm wrote:

    what about the Magnetosphere? Scientists say the earth’s magnetosphere is in the begining changes of a pole reversal, or at least they think that is what is happening. There are also indicators that the core of the earth is slowing down, and they arent sure how that fits into the picture, from what Ive read.

    At the current rate of decline, another 2,000 years and we have no magnetosphere, no shield against cosmic radiation, no life on earth. Not even extremeophiles. Even a pole shift would cause serious problems, from super-high cancer rates to mass extinction, maybe even of us.

    after the pole-shift the magnetosphere will reinvigorate itself.

    As you may recall Noah along with many others like him, were okay with the flood.

    One of the reasons it’s convenient to have a boat in case of pole-shift, is that you may find yourself at an unusual latitude, with the boat can move back to the prefered latitude.

    submerisble ships with anti-gravity drives could conceivably become space-ships.

    Admiral Byrd’s fleet to Antarctica (operation High-Jump) was attacked by flying saucers that came out of the water.

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    #15050
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    Mad-Dog-Tannen
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    elspru, elspru, elspru. Its not the effects after a pole shift Im worried about, but the effects during. Whether it rebuilt or not (which history suggests it would, yes), magnetosphere reduction during a pole shift could cook you so well done you wont need a boat or much of anything other than a 6 foot hole.

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