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  • #14885
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    elspru
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    Yes, the moon and really much of the universe is inhabited.

    The moon is somewhat special as it’s older than our solar-system, it’s been moved here from an older one.

    Just as with any intelligent species, negotiations are plausible,

    the chinese generously give many test subjects (to greys), in return for a base on the moon,

    where the first chinese lunar baby was born — there is a video floating around in hive-consciousness.

    lol anyhow, what I’m saying is that we’re likely to encounter some kind of new-experiences, wherever we go.

    For now, it’s easiest to practice on our “home-turf”, while there may be alien-cities underwater, the pelagic layer is frequented by homo-sapiens and sailboats safely.

    Once we create Seasteads, we can pop in anti-gravity to make them air-steads,

    after we seal them up, add in air-locks and generally make them space-worthy,

    can become an asteroid or space-ship of some kind, remeber new-experiences.

    Muhammad foretold of a time when mountains would fly in the sky.

    Al bielek visited such a time-line through the philidelphia/montauk project.

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    #14886
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    Speich84
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    Everyone so far seems to want to send people into space right away which is fine, however it seems to me that developing an industrial complex in space sans humans would be the smart first move. With advances in unmanned vehicle technology there are a plethora of infrastructure ideas that could happen much sooner using drones. If anyone in this forum has paid attention to the maker-bot situation, or knows about systems like HARM 2, then you would realize that the main hurdle to get over is to figure out how to get material off of asteroids and moons. Send a system of construction out to an asteroid or Martian moon with the sole purpose of developing a small array of other construction tools. Thoughts?

    #14889
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    elspru
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    Speich84 wrote:

    Send a system of construction out to an asteroid or Martian moon with the sole purpose of developing a small array of other construction tools. Thoughts?

    that’s a great idea, we can practice using boats as our “space-ship”, and uninhabited islands, and rocky outcrops as “asteroids”.

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    #14893
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    Sickor
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    emmettvm wrote:

    I had a beautiful flaming reply put together, targeting Sickor’s post point for point, but it died in refresh so I’ll have to satisfy myself with this…

    You’re a freaking moron, and nobody will ever take you seriously.

    Many people take me seriously, and just because you are closed minded, (and ignorant on the subject) doesn’t mean everyone else is…if you took the time to watch the video I think you would open up your mind to the idea that it is at least a possibility that the moon is inhabbited. Extra-terrestrials are much more fact than fantasy, I think it would be fantasy if they didn’t exist. I just ask that you don’t try to bad mouth the subject until you have seen all the evidence and have come to your own conclusion, that still may be wrong but at least you have seen all the facts and evidence! Make sure you know what your talking about before spewing out your opinions! I’ve had to learn that that hard way!

    #14894
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    Ken wrote:
    Dervogel707 wrote:

    Wow you guys are dumb, ya a whole univese and one intellegent species and hes a moron. I go by facts and science no fantasy. There is alot of evidence pointing towards this watch the video I posted the link in another comment. Shredder I didnt mean to send that twice sorry.

    Explain that (found on google moon)

    First, your image link is busted. It appears to be pointing on to a file on a system local to you. Second (responding to some previous posts by you and Sickor), I never said that everything on YouTube is fake. But it is easy to fake things on YouTube (and TV programs and movies). Third, I also never said that I wasn’t going to watch the video. But I won’t have time until the weekend at the earliest. [/quote]

    Ken, I see you’re point, however I assure you the the people involved in making the film have solid credible backrounds, not to mention I can’t find any reason for people to put hours of filming and getting specialists of all different backrounds to put up a fake full-length movie! I could see NASA trying to discredit it but thats about it.

    And if/when you watch the film, and if you do end up believing it you should check out the disclosure project, 120 hours worth of military testimonies and the like, amazing if you ask me.

    http://www.youtube.com/user/csetiweb

    #14898
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    Ken Sims
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    Sickor wrote:

    And if/when you watch the film, and if you do end up believing it you should check out the disclosure project, 120 hours worth of military testimonies and the like, amazing if you ask me.

    http://www.youtube.com/user/csetiweb

    Since that’s a different user than the user of the other video, I’ve bookmarked that link along with the link to the video. At the rate it’s going, I may end up waiting until mid-September when I’m taking some time off work.

    I’m reasonably open minded, but I don’t accept everything as true just because someone says it is.

    And being about 3.5 times as old as you and Matt, I’ve had a wee bit more life experience.

    (And when I was your age, I was a lot more confident that I knew just what was what than I am now.)

    #14904
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    HopDavid
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    Speich84 wrote:

    Everyone so far seems to want to send people into space right away which is fine, however it seems to me that developing an industrial complex in space sans humans would be the smart first move. With advances in unmanned vehicle technology there are a plethora of infrastructure ideas that could happen much sooner using drones.

    I agree.

    The state of art for AI is nowhere near being able to deal with the unforeseen problems that constantly crop up in mining. So autonomous drones are out. We’d need teleoperated drones.

    For any object but the moon, light lag can easily be 20 minutes to 40 minutes. Moon light lag is 3 seconds.

    When operating heavy equipment, fast reaction time is desirable. 3 second reaction time is maybe doable. Seems to me a 20 minute reaction time is right out.

    You also want high bandwidth for able drones. Signal strength falls with inverse square of distance. Again, the only near body that allows high bandwidth is the moon.

    Speich84 wrote:
    If anyone in this forum has paid attention to the maker-bot situation, or knows about systems like HARM 2, then you would realize that the main hurdle to get over is to figure out how to get material off of asteroids and moons. Send a system of construction out to an asteroid or Martian moon with the sole purpose of developing a small array of other construction tools. Thoughts?

    Okay, we send Maker-bot to an asteroid. Where does the thermal plastic feedstock come from? And thermal plastic isn’t adequate to make drills, shovels & other needed equipment and infra structure.

    There are 3-D printers that make metal parts. But, like Maker-bot, you need feedstock. And to provide the feedstock for 3-D printers, you need mining. If earth mining, that’s a heavy transportation cost. If feed stock from in-situ resources, that’s mining infrastructure on the asteroid or moon. Which is hard.

    #14906
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    Dervogel707
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    Ken expiernce doesn’t really matter on this subject. It is obivios how much NASA lies no matter the age. I will agree age matters on some things but I dont believe you’ve had much experience with extraterrestrial life…have you? They lie to us kids as much as you adults.

    #14907
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    Ken Sims
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    Dervogel707 wrote:

    Ken expiernce doesn’t really matter on this subject. It is obivios how much NASA lies no matter the age. I will agree age matters on some things but I dont believe you’ve had much experience with extraterrestrial life…have you? They lie to us kids as much as you adults.

    I wasn’t talking about experience with extraterrestials. I was talking about experience in general in judging the veracity of evidence.

    #14908
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    i_is_j_smith
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    It sucks how a decent debate regarding humanity’s expansion into space can devolve into idiocy. You are both morons who do not know how to do basic research. 5 minutes of Google-ing could have shown you that those blurry spots are caused by glitches in the image browser. If you use the newer v2.0 Clementine you can see these areas clear as day.

    Go to the Clementine Lunar Map 2.0 and move the cursor to “Tool Panels” at the top-left and then click on “Coordinates”. In the coordinates window that appears put in these coordinates:

    -73 degrees, 26 minutes Latitude

    -138 degrees, 39 minutes Longitude

    Set the Scale to 1 pixel = 800 meters and then click “Recenter Map”. You will see the exact location they talk about in the stupid YouTube video, and you will see that it isn’t a secret Chinese mining installation or Star Being Roller Rink but just a shadow. Change the scale to 1 pixel = 200 meters and you can see it very clearly.

    It’s no different than the face on Mars…a simple shadow. People like you are so desperate to attribute this stuff to crazy ideas because you are so afraid that there isn’t anything else out there in the vast depths of the universe. You need to come to the harsh cold realization that humans are the only advanced lifeform in the universe and it is up to us, and us alone, to spread life throughout the cosmos. There are no ETs, no angels, no magical pixies waiting to swoop down and take you away from your pitiful lives.

    I really don’t know what’s worse: that somebody spent time and money producing a one-hour video about this garbage or that I have to spend my time disproving something so stupid.

    Now go ahead and tell me that NASA Photoshop specialists got much better at image manipulation and v2.0 of the lunar map is altered. Go ahead and talk about how they have special quantum computers, given to them by star beings, that they use to change the images beyond our capability to detect. All I will say is I find your desperate need to find conspiracy where there is none sad and pathetic.

    #14910
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    Ken Sims
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    i_is_j_smith wrote:
    You need to come to the harsh cold realization that humans are the only advanced lifeform in the universe and it is up to us, and us alone, to spread life throughout the cosmos. There are no ETs, no angels, no magical pixies waiting to swoop down and take you away from your pitiful lives.

    While I don’t believe that there are ETs on, or in, the moon, and I don’t expect any to come swooping in here any time soon, still I wonder where you got your obviously superior knowledge to know for sure that there are no other advanced life forms anywhere in the entire universe.

    #14917
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    i_is_j_smith
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    I prefer to quote Marshall Savage:

    As far as we know or can tell, the universe – with the sole exception of our own magical planet – is entirely devoid of life. Life has utterly transformed the Earth. The atmosphere is an endoplasmic membrane of a unicellular photosynthetic organism we call Gaia. The Earth could not be mistaken for a dead planet any more than a live oak could be mistaken for a pillar of salt. A thousand years from now, Solaria will glitter and pulse with Life on a cosmic scale. Our solar system will be as obviously alive as the Earth. A million years from now the same transformation will have swept through the entire galaxy. The Milky Way will be completely transmogrified.

    This is sure to happen, for it is the nature of Life to expand her empire if she can – and she can. When we look out on the heavens, we see not the slightest inkling that another living thing inhabits those frozen spaces. If Life is a common phenomenon in this universe, then the star clouds of our galaxy should shout its presence. But the sky is silent. There is no trace of Life making its metamorphic presence felt on a galactic scale. The roaring silence of deep space only confirms our worst fears – we are alone.

    Until we learn otherwise, we must assume that we are the solitary guardians of Life’s only spark. As far as we know, the fate of the cosmos is in our hands. Ours is an awesome and frightening responsibility.

    We exist as a species for one reason: to bring Life to the universe. A living universe is the ultimate fulfillment of our Cosmic destiny. Gaia is a living planet, the seed of Solaria – a living solar system; Solaria will be the seed of Galactia – a living galaxy; Galactia will, in turn, be the seed of Cosmia – a living universe.

    It is our destiny to ignite the chain reaction that enlivens the cosmos. Because of us, Life will erupt into the galaxy. Like windblown firebrands, we will carry the spark of Life from star to star. Wherever we go, the green conflagration of animate matter will set the skies ablaze!

    And, while not as eloquent but just as valid, I also like to quote Enrico Fermi:

    Where is everybody?

    #14918
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    i_is_j_smith
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    This sums it up best for me, again from Mr. Savage:

    Whether or not we are truly alone in the universe is really immaterial. We can debate the issue as an academic exercise, but it won’t change one overwhelming fact: As far as we know, we are alone. And until we find out otherwise, it behooves us to proceed as if we were the only intelligent species in the whole space/time continuum.

    This point of view should have a profound effect on our race. It is easy to gaze up at the night sky in wonder, and feel one’s self to be an insignificant fly-speck. But it can be a little terrifying to look out on endless parsecs and realize that you are one of the most important things in it. It’s enough to make your panic glasses go black.

    Being a solo act requires us to carry some very heavy baggage. Our responsibility to the Cosmos is absolute. In a very real sense, we must carry the weight of the universe on our shoulders. We are not just an insignificant species of semi-intelligent apes, charged only with the welfare of ourselves, or even of our little planet. Rather, we are the sole source of consciousness in an otherwise dead cosmos. It is all up to us. If we fail, Life, as a phenomenon in the universe, fails with us. Life never happened anywhere else before and it is unlikely to ever happen anywhere else again. If you believe in Life, if you believe in flowers and grass and trees, birds and whales and people; if you believe in children, then you must bear this Titanic burden. You must recognize yourself as one of the Olympians, one of but a tiny handful of the god-beings who inhabit this universe. For better or worse, we must accept the awesome implications of our place in the scheme of things – at the pinnacle of creation. It is our task to carry the torch of Promethean fire out into the frozen void, there to kindle the green flames of a billion billion living worlds. We few, we happy few, must decide the destiny of a universe.

    Okay, the first paragraph makes my point. They rest is just gravy!

    #14921
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    wohl1917
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    SMITTY!!! And the crowd goes wild!!!!!

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    This change in discussion has given me three things. Some awesome quotes, a fresh perspective to test when I look at the night sky, and a some additions to my “dont bother to read any of their postings” list.

    Thanks to all!

    (for the records, I happen to believe that “other life” is quite likely, but I also agree whole heartedly that our sentiment should be to view ourselves as the sole holders of the burden of life.)

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