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Solar Powered Submarine, soon to be a reality

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  • #876
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    Thorizan
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    http://www.projekt-goldfisch.ch/

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    Stop salivating, Pastor_Jason. Seriously… it’s embarassing.

    #5504
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    Showoff.

    It’s also probably not a submarine, but a submersible, a unit designed for small depths, and little (hours) or no autonomy.

    #5510
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    I don´t know… Solar seems like the most unsuitable power source imaginable for a submarine. I´m guessing too it will be limited to very short dives. Designed in land-locked Switzerland of course. How can this possibly fail…

    #5512
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    Let’s not jump to conclusions here… other than my salivation, which was dead on…

    Electricity is the energy used to power the motive force of nearly all modern submarines. The old diesel subs would surface so they could run their diesel engines to recharge their batteries before diving again. Why not replace this diesel with a solar array? Sure Nukes can run without surfacing to recharge, but no one is going to be happy about an unaligned Nuke sub floating free in international waters.

    This sub can hit a depth of 300 meters… much deeper than I was looking for. If anything, it seems that my idea is at least feasible. I’ve DL’d the feasibility study for this project and will read/comment on it later.

    All I have to say is thanks Thorizon for keeping me in mind, and….

    Mwahahahahaaaaaa!!!!

    -Jason

    #5513
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    Anytime, Pastor_Jason. Anything to help your cause. I think we would make for good neighbors, myself.

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    #5518
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    Pastor_Jason wrote:
    Electricity is the energy used to power the motive force of nearly all modern submarines. The old diesel subs would surface so they could run their diesel engines to recharge their batteries before diving again. Why not replace this diesel with a solar array?

    Because said solar array is going to be the size of a football field. As such, it can’t be on the submarine. So, you end up building the submersible and a massive floating solar array.

    The military value then is zero. As for entertainment use, you want to dive during the day, to see anything, and so during the best hours for solar generation the array will be standing idle. Either that or you have another set of batteries, and ultimately cause more harm to the environment than just burning some diesel fuel would.

    #5630
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    Who cares about military value. I’m building a submersible seastead… not a hunter/killer russian sub. I’ve already been working on a deployable solar array. You could remain mobile while the solar array was deployed, it’s always more efficient to directly use the energy rather than putting it into a storage medium.

    Your solar concerns I share as well. They take up a ton of surface area for relatively little electrical gain. The electricity then (often) needs to be stored which is another “drop off” on energy efficiency. Algae has the potential to out produce standard PV modules by an order of magnitude. Additionally the product of the solar energy is already in an easily storable medium with no loss in efficiency due to energy transfer. Plus, this keeps the need for batteries at a minimum… which is good for our planet at the same time.

    Live Well!

    -Jason

    #5637
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    Pastor_Jason wrote:

    Who cares about military value. I’m building a submersible seastead… not a hunter/killer russian sub. I’ve already been working on a deployable solar array. You could remain mobile while the solar array was deployed, it’s always more efficient to directly use the energy rather than putting it into a storage medium.

    Your solar concerns I share as well. They take up a ton of surface area for relatively little electrical gain. The electricity then (often) needs to be stored which is another “drop off” on energy efficiency. Algae has the potential to out produce standard PV modules by an order of magnitude. Additionally the product of the solar energy is already in an easily storable medium with no loss in efficiency due to energy transfer. Plus, this keeps the need for batteries at a minimum… which is good for our planet at the same time.

    Live Well!

    -Jason

    Why does it have to be submersible? There is no way you’re going to hide a submersible seastead from the navy of a nation state; if that’s what you’re thinking.

    #5642
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    There is hiding… and then there is not being noticed… staying out of the way… just living the dream… you go your way, I’ll go mine.

    I think most seasteads will opt for the latter rather than the former.

    If one hides, then it is a challenge. Secrets are meant to be discovered. If you are just out of the way… it’s not a big deal. It’s all about attention. Proclaiming to the world that you are hiding, and that they shouldn’t come and find you is the surest way of being interfered with.

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    #5644
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    Though I do wish to “keep off the radar” so to speak, I’m not looking to engage a military machine. I originally wanted a submersible as a form of defense from low tech aggressors, but then everyone started talking about rogue waves and having a submersible seemed to make that problem moot.

    Furthermore, one of the chief concerns about seasteading is making the seastead rock as little as possible. Submersibles suffer a fraction of that rocking motion compared to an above water vessel. Aside from rogue waves, hurricanes out in the ocean are far more dangerous than when they hit our shores… submersible seems to insulate us from that threat as well.

    The ability to submerge and vacate an area when sonar enhanced vessels are still a good way off from closing in on you… priceless.

    Live Well!

    -Jason

    #5651
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    Ok, so then you are submerged. Why does that make you safer? Is it not likely that any vessel out to get you that is equipped with sonar is also equipped with torpedos or depth charges?

    And how will you get early warning that such vessels are approaching? I think the navy will have bigger radars than you. And satellites.

    #5652
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    I’m safer than a similarly equiped seastead that is NOT submersible. Further, passive radar/sonar detection helps in the exact instance of people looking for you and those systems are a fair lot easier to manage. Last, if submerged and mobile it will make a boarding action very difficult to pull off. I’m not saying they won’t be able to “blow me out of the water”, I’m just saying that’s the only option they will have. Since I’m not aiming to get any nation angry enough to commit an act of violence, I’ve effectively neutralized much of their “bullying” capability.

    This isn’t about taking on the Navies of the world. It’s about surviving in a lawless area which is dominated by the Navies of the world. Any extra edge in such an environment is a worthwhile indulgence.

    Live Well!

    -Jason

    #5657
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    I think the key is keeping that low profile, figuratively and literally.

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    #5672
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    Thorizan wrote:

    I think the key is keeping that low profile, figuratively and literally.

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    BINGO.

    Live Well!

    -Jason

    #5687
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    Any extra edge in such an environment is a worthwhile indulgence.

    Depends on the cost of the edge, I suppose…

    I think the key is keeping that low profile, figuratively and literally.

    Your enemies might interpret your having a submersible seastead as giving you a higher profile. I´m not saying that there is anything wrong with it. Just that people might get extra suspicious.

    If they want to board you they can just wait you out until you need to surface. I don´t know how far a sonar goes, but I would guess you´d need to submerge before they have you in this range. Otherwise you might as well surrender rather than listening to their pings for a couple of hours before needing to surface (and surrender) anyway.

    In short, on the surface it seems to me like a lot of work and money for not much benefit.

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