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  • #12502
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    shredder7753
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    how did Wilfried get his own concrete plant??

    anyway – one thing i want to make clear is that seasteading has “barriers to entry”. i hightly recommend everybody read this research report: http://www.seasteading.org/files/research/TSI/engineering/May2010_Report_p1.pdf. i just found it today.

    it does have some fluff,and it is pretty darn long but that report has some crucial information. im now convinced of why we need to have propulsion, albeit if just a week one. the cost of mooring beyond the EEZ is prohibitive and dynamic positioning is a must. in my mind it is of utmost imortance that we develop seasteading for the open ocean. it has to be cheap and it has to be inviting. it will not PROVE anything to spend money on cubes of concrete until we have a complete MODEL of what we need to do with all that concrete. we still do not have a MODEL. what do you think we will proven that hasnt already been done before? why would we test a theory if we do not actually have a theory to test?? what did we gain by making that concrete raft – other than a concrete raft?

    Oceanopolis – if you build something and moor it near the coast of Lantana, FL the US authorities are gonna bust you. there has to be a permit for everything, and experimental stuff like this is not highly regarded by the government. they think its suspect. the founder of this website wants to see “millions” of people living on the ocean. laying the groundwork for that is much more complicated than tying some barrels together and gettin all robinson crusoe.

    so here is where i stand: our design has to hold at least 50 people and it has to be further than the EEZ. BUT – once we have a plan im down for doing preliminary testing, so long as we take enough precaution to avoid legal issues.

    somebody make a case for why we should bother to build anything less. if you really wanta make a trystead, i’m more than happy to send you the sketchup file for it. i am no maritime engineer though so you might want to have it checked out before getting started.

    Wil – when you say “flat float” is this a flat float?

    #12506
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    OCEANOPOLIS
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    You can actually anchor anywhere in Florida and nobody will give you a hard time as long as you are not in a navigable channel, or on a coral reef. If you go down to the Florida Keys there are hundred of people living @ the hook on their sailboats, houseboats, on or makeshift “seasteads”.

    Now, “the case for starting small”. To start with, and most important, MONEY. Huge seasteads will cost hundred of millions of dollars if not billions!. Even a relatvely “small” module 300′ long to host 50 people will be few millions, man. Do you have that kind of cash? ’cause I don’t. Then why plan for something that cannot be achieved? Instead, plan for something that’s achievable, whithin your budget and allow for incremental growth. Let’s take your tristead design, for example. A 40′ (13m)/side tristead can be built for under $20k, if not less, if (as I said) you cut some corners. 8 of them rafted up will give you a 120’/side tristead now. Make that permanent by pooring some more cement on deck, raise the topsides and reeinforce them too, Now this tristead, @120′ IT IS offshore capable, for sure. Yes, it might take some time to do this, but if you take solid partners, if all are determined and disciplined and work hard on it, you will do it. 5 years from now, you got yourself a nice “seasteading module”, a floating island somwhere in the Keys with some palm trees on it, hammocks, living quarters. If you don’t do that, 5 years from now you got nothing but dreams. Maybe nice dreams of beautiful ocean cities raising from the ocean on the horizon, but still just dreams.

    Now, what do you think that’s going to happen during this 5 years while you are doing this? Well, one thing is for sure: PEOPLE WILL NOTICE YOU. The local people, and fair to say, in this internet world, people around the word. Another thing that will happen is that you will now have an opportunity to make money. Since you are on the water, you can fish and sell the fish. You can have several cages around your tristeads and fish farm. Since people noticed you now, why not rent couple of the tristeads to whoever likes to be on the water for few days (hey, you might get a lot of business here @ TSI from people who want to experience the seasteading lifestyle). If you are located close to the intercoastal waterway channel you will make money selling fuel, ice, supplys and cold beers to the transiting boats. Etc.To sum it up, 5 years from now, by the time you are done building this tristeads, you might be a rich man, Rich:), and be able to further finance now the bigger picture project.

    The West was settled one carriage at a time. Seasteading won’t be any diferent.

    #12507
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    shredder7753
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    we def are on diff wavelengths. personally im not comfortable making money with my seastead unless i know it was approved by a professional engineer, and that just means its gonna cost money, as in millions. again if you want to build a tristead just let me know where to email the model and your welcome to it. i dont have any of my own money anyway. so i would have to convince innvestors to back me.

    the image below is a cheap render from my new and improved berg-stead. i like to think each module of 24 small apartments could be built for $3M; $125K per person. thats basically a guess, for now:

    wheres Pastor Jason nowadays?

    #12509
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    OCEANOPOLIS
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    i am not interested in building your tristeads because I am very busy with other projects at the moment.

    #12508
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    shredder7753
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    please excuse the purple helicopter. justin beiber and the queer patch kids offered us $60K to let them tape a video for 3 days. i was like “whatever”, just give us the money:

    #12514
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    tusavision
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    OCEANOPOLIS wrote:

    i am not interested in building your tristeads because I am very busy with other projects at the moment.

    The patience demonstrated in this thread so far is remarkable.

    It’s like watching Sacha Baron Cohen as “Borat” attempting to provoke a synagogue and failing.

    I have no other projects, but I’m still not interested. Throwing bags of concrete in to a swimming pool would be a more productive use of my time. Holmes seriously just reinvented “Jamestown.”

    “60 degree angles! Why didn’t we think of that!”

    Where are the “miniguns” btw?

    #12516
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    shredder7753
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    tusavision gimme a link. i would like to see where your contribution is.

    i thought Jamestown was kinda what we were going for? i do this for make benefit all personality.

    #12523
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    OCEANOPOLIS
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    What are you really interested in, if I might ask :) ?

    #12525
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    tusavision
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    shredder7753 wrote:

    tusavision gimme a link. i would like to see where your contribution is.

    i thought Jamestown was kinda what we were going for? i do this for make benefit all personality.

    “If you’re good at something, never do it for free.”

    Nothing wrong with Jamestown(other than it was a failure), I just think it’s ridiculous you’re putting your name on the concept of using polygons as a building material. The video game industry has been doing it since Final Fantasy VII was released. I’m waiting for you to take credit for using the “golden ratio” in architecture.

    Your contribution so far has been to write ineffective “calls to arms”, chastising the efforts of elspru and Elmer(who are the only people actively accomplishing anything), and making google sketch-up models of $ multi-million dog parks.

    If you can afford to maintain a helicopter in a saltwater environment then what do you need us for? Your Dr. Seuss linguistic patterns are proof positive you’re either a troll, or crazy.

    I don’t want to criticize without making a contribution though, so without further introduction, here is my competing proposal to shredder’s tristeads:

    (Mature content, viewer discretion is advised)

    http://i54.tinypic.com/2i8vlzn.gif

    #12524
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    shredder7753
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    Nu Jimmytowne

    im interested in starting an industry. i dont disagree with incrementalism, but the barriers to entry are not something we can ignore. seasteading is a step toward colonizing space, but it has barriers to entry just like space.

    #12526
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    shredder7753
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    thats not appropriate.

    theres dozens of other forums on here i choose to ignore. i read and think “eh, i dont agree with so-and-so”. when i think they’re too far off base for me, i dont participate. whats so hard about that? this is a publically accessible forum.

    if you guys wanta float around on dinghys and call yourselves seasteaders, have a grand time! its not like you need my permission. grab a lightsaber and call yourself a jedi knight while ur at it. i dont care. sometimes i say things that are intended to fan the flames of other seasteaders. i think it breeds a healthy debate. i’ve seen failure before. many times, and some were pretty disasterous. i dont want seasteading to fail and just fade away.

    dont post lude stuff on here. its not appropriate. while this site is publicly accessible, young eyes are going to see what we post – and theres nothing funny about that. im requesting that you please remove it immediately before i report it to admin.

    RIch

    #12528
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    tusavision
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    shredder7753 wrote:

    thats not appropriate.

    theres dozens of other forums on here i choose to ignore. i read and think “eh, i dont agree with so-and-so”. when i think they’re too far off base for me, i dont participate. whats so hard about that? this is a publically accessible forum.

    if you guys wanta float around on dinghys and call yourselves seasteaders, have a grand time! its not like you need my permission. grab a lightsaber and call yourself a jedi knight while ur at it. i dont care. sometimes i say things that are intended to fan the flames of other seasteaders. i think it breeds a healthy debate. i’ve seen failure before. many times, and some were pretty disasterous. i dont want seasteading to fail and just fade away.

    dont post lude stuff on here. its not appropriate. while this site is publicly accessible, young eyes are going to see what we post – and theres nothing funny about that.

    RIch

    I have no idea what you’re talking about. What lude stuff?

    Whatever it is that set you off, I think it’s telling you have the “feign being offended morality finger wag” reaction on speed dial. Bait with sarcasm and snide remarks and then look shocked and offended when people call you out.

    People like you have nothing better to do with your time than stir up shit for it’s own sake. That shit might work at PETA meetings and book club readings. Nobody is falling for the nancy boy act here so stuff it.

    Personally, it offends my sensibilities that Shredder keeps posting seasteads with obvious nazi symbolism.

    #12530
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    shredder7753
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    tusavision wrote:

    shredder7753 wrote:

    thats not appropriate.

    theres dozens of other forums on here i choose to ignore. i read and think “eh, i dont agree with so-and-so”. when i think they’re too far off base for me, i dont participate. whats so hard about that? this is a publically accessible forum.

    if you guys wanta float around on dinghys and call yourselves seasteaders, have a grand time! its not like you need my permission. grab a lightsaber and call yourself a jedi knight while ur at it. i dont care. sometimes i say things that are intended to fan the flames of other seasteaders. i think it breeds a healthy debate. i’ve seen failure before. many times, and some were pretty disasterous. i dont want seasteading to fail and just fade away.

    dont post lude stuff on here. its not appropriate. while this site is publicly accessible, young eyes are going to see what we post – and theres nothing funny about that.

    RIch

    I have no idea what you’re talking about. What lude stuff?

    Whatever it is that set you off, I think it’s telling you have the “feign being offended morality finger wag” reaction on speed dial. Bait with sarcasm and snide remarks and then look shocked and offended when people call you out.

    People like you have nothing better to do with your time than stir up shit for it’s own sake. That shit might work at PETA meetings and book club readings. Nobody is falling for the nancy boy act here so stuff it.

    Personally, it offends my sensibilities that Shredder keeps posting seasteads with obvious nazi symbolism.

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    so you wont be looking for an invitation to share space on my seastead?

    sir is there anything you need my help with?

    #12535
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    Ken Sims
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    shredder7753 wrote:

    sir is there anything you need my help with?

    I’ve been trying to stay out this, but having seen your postings over the 18 days that you’ve been a registered user, I believe that I can say with confidence …

    No one here needs any of the “help” that you have to offer.

    #12536
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    shredder7753
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    you guys, im here to post my art work and share my ideas. blow off. i never said i was in the do it now, this week or even this year category. you people are miserable! and fyi my thread is one of the most popular on this website. you dont know me. you dont know anything about me. and your retarded enough to think im gonna waste my time going back and reading your rants from the past 3 years. bunch of quacks.

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