Simple design principle
January 31, 2011 at 9:50 pm #12442
Sorry, wasn’t ment as insulting, just think that the first generation might not be so close together has there are some issues that will need to be resolved first.
We need a million ideas so we can get the one in a million idea that will work.January 31, 2011 at 10:17 pm #12441Distorted wrote:
I thinking totally direct might not be the way to go, instead, have each one connected to the seafloor along with a walkway connecting each unit.
aargh not gud enuff for ya ayy? thats a bunch o’ crap! try this one on for size:
The incentive for edge-lying tray steads to attract other traysteads and be good to them is that when their tray is completely surrounded they can tear down their concrete upper walls and become party of the inner team.
*ominously foreseeing the next comment: hey guys, this is the one in a million idea thats gonna work!January 31, 2011 at 10:22 pm #12443
one of my favorite things about this forum is that people dont just say “oh yea thats nice, heres a high five”. everybody dishes the constructive criticism. high five!January 31, 2011 at 10:44 pm #12444
If you were looking for Peace & Love you’re about 40+ years late! The Flower Children grew up and were replaced by New Age weirdness… And Constructive Criticism, High Five Dude!!
PS That walkway won’t work.February 1, 2011 at 12:18 am #12447
was not meant as a “ramp” or “gangway” that would allow walking from one module to another, (as shown in your link), but as the method of physically rafting up those modules or floats.February 1, 2011 at 12:41 am #12445
what the are you saying? the walkway wont work? did you click on the link? they already exist!!
P.S. – that website smells like a dookie.
oh and check out this new one – The completely submersible equilateral infinitely scalable unbelievable TriStead (still following the “simple design principle”) . their sloping sides continue underwater where they connect via a hinge:February 1, 2011 at 12:43 am #12449OCEANOPOLIS wrote:
was not meant as a “ramp” or “gangway” that would allow walking from one module to another, (as shown in your link), but as the method of physically rafting up those modules or floats.
actually in that model i killed both birds with one stone.February 1, 2011 at 2:25 am #12450
how such a skimpy “connection” can hold those massive floats together, specially when rolling and pitching in heavy seas. But if you say so,…February 1, 2011 at 2:46 am #12451OCEANOPOLIS wrote:
how such a skimpy “connection” can hold those massive floats together, specially when rolling and pitching in heavy seas. But if you say so,…
Im tryin to be a leader here, man. try it sometime. instead of slamming every single thing i do, how bout you offer a suggestion? if you really believe the connection situation is completely unsolvable than say so. otherwise be constructive.February 1, 2011 at 7:15 am #12452
Do not confuse feedback w/criticism. Now, you said that this suckers are 100 m (meters) in diameter, thats 300 ft. @ that size, they WILL be very heavy man, @ least 2000 tons each module, therefore that connection IT IS skimpy. If you don’t belive me, ask a naval architect. I do belive that connection can be made, but it’s just an idea, so I might be wrong,…
Assuming you’re building in steel reeinforced concrete, leave openings in your topsides as shown. (that would be in each side of your hexagonal modules, above the waterline – of course, and centered in the midlle of it). Raft up you modules and secure them in position with line or cables so the openings fit. Lay steel rebar through the holes and on the inside and pour concrete through the top round holes until you fill up the inside in between the hulls and on the inside as shown (in grey). After drying up, I think that might hold pretty good in any seas.February 1, 2011 at 2:21 pm #12453
thats one option… we can file it alongside the poured continuous dowel concept i put up a couple days ago. the disadvantage with this new idea, is that if you put it on the upper walls of the structure, you cant remove those walls once there are dozens of ‘steads rafted up. Not that I have any data to back this up, but im gonna say this wouldnt be as strong as the continuous dowels which were stated to be 50m long. the dowels were situated on 2 different levels where there is space to allow such connections without interfereing with the living space – but they also allow the removal of the upper walls after enough ‘steads have been rafted. unfortunately they are irreversible, so once you buy-in to a dowel connection – its permanent.
both of our ideas are missing something – but i dont know what it is yet.February 1, 2011 at 7:11 pm #12455
i just want to mention for Ellmer and others, one of the most important aspects about TSI is that we all recognize the need to colonize space. it was mentioned in another forum that there are no animals that live primarily on the ocean surface. right. but there is not a living organism of any known type that has ever reached space – except for people (and those we brought along).
yet another (can you guys tell i need a new hobby?):February 1, 2011 at 7:13 pm #12456
How is the tristead “completely submersible” if it is open topped?
Have you begun to estimate how much these units will cost?
If we tear down the walls on the inner modules once you have a few floated up, how will those inner modules participate in Patri’s vision of Dynamic Geography?
Why would substeads not be expandable? If anything, a substead allows three dimensional growth across and beneath the waves. Each community would then share the expense of the connective structures but each ‘stead would be able to break away if desired.
Keep the ideas flowing…
-JasonFebruary 1, 2011 at 9:26 pm #12458
If you want to explore submerging flat float structures you might want to check on the stability at dive issue. As soon as your deck gets awash there is no force that maintains the structure on even keel. Semisubmersibe drydock ships like MIGHTY SERVANT (picture) solve this with additional buoyancy in “towers” that stick out of the water. You should probably have one of those at each corner to conserve stability when the deck is flooded.
European Submarine Structures ABFebruary 1, 2011 at 9:51 pm #12459
THAT is an excellent point Ellmer. so how would you keep people upright in a substead? how do submarines keep from falling sideways?
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