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  • #1404
    Avatar of makanbubur
    makanbubur
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    i believe this has been discussed before? we need to make seastead why it is attractive to public to follow our intention. however before gets into that we need to be economically strong as well, i dont mean just to support the seastead resident, but has ability to trade with other nation and rest of the world, that would make a significant image.

    what kind of economic activities can be generated from seastead?

    - place for medical tourism, experiments

    - offshore web hosting

    - vertical farm (grow vegetables, fruits, herbs,etc etc)

    - cultivate seafood, fish, shrimp, etc etc

    - casino

    however, i also list down controversial type of activities that shouldnt being exist on the seasteading :

    - prostitution

    - tobacco & alcohol factory (for eg: seasteads provide space to rent as income for big corporation to produce cigarrettes & alcohol due to less law/tax on the seasteading)

    - drug & coccaine

    - fire arms, guns, explosives factory

    - offshore bank & financial broker (dont be naive, even today’s most ‘legit’ financial institution are used for money laundering)

    just minor update, another possible venture seasteading should look into is we should have desalination facilities that turn seawater into drinkable water, then sell it to other country. to get the desalination running, we need solar or alternative energy to have permanent free electricity (i already mentioned fresnel lens is very potential as source of electricity in other thread) however im also worried about the restricted budget (thats why zeitgeistmovement was trying to solve this problem!) that we could encounter difficulties to get things running. example of desalination plant and its cost can refer link http://www.ourwater.vic.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0003/76206/Victorian-Desalination-Project-Brochure-Web.pdf

    - then also dont forget if we are able to turn seawater into fuel or source of power, then sell it to other country. this is definitely going to help seasteading acquire enough financial support and following by other necessary resource to further development the infrastructure/business/industry facilities on seasteading

    thats all i can think of, will post more later.

    #12049

    your point 7-10 is probably not a great idea. If we really want to implement seasteading we could use political and financial support for our ideas and projects – placing our project in the middle of the “paria” segment will not give us that.

    so let me suggest a couple of different economic approaches…

    1)Drydock facilities – to support international shipping and ship repair infrastructure

    2)Floating production facilities – like Adriatic LNG, SABmillers floating brewery, the russian floating energy plant,

    3)Tourism – floating lagoons, yacht harbors, marina developments, ocean parks

    4) Floating mining facilities in the mid ocean ridge (richest mineral resources on the planet)

    etc..

    #12055
    Avatar of makanbubur
    makanbubur
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    your point 7-10 is probably not a great idea. If we really want to implement seasteading we could use political and financial support for our ideas and projects – placing our project in the middle of the “paria” segment will not give us that.

    so let me suggest a couple of different economic approaches…

    1)Drydock facilities – to support international shipping and ship repair infrastructure

    2)Floating production facilities – like Adriatic LNG, SABmillers floating brewery, the russian floating energy plant,

    3)Tourism – floating lagoons, yacht harbors, marina developments, ocean parks

    4) Floating mining facilities in the mid ocean ridge (richest mineral resources on the planet)

    etc..

    no offence of your suggestion, but realistically speaking, i believe we need to starts from small scale industries and only had enough financial or other resource first then can go to those you’ve mentioned

    #12059
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    xns
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    I’m not sure what you’ve imagined, but both ellmer’s and your suggestions look like they require similar startup capital. In fact, they’re all in the US$1 – US$2mil range. You might want to try searching around the forums as well, I there are some on-going discussions about all your suggestions, some of them, like web-hosting, have already been attempted by some of the members.

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    #12074
    Avatar of tusavision
    tusavision
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    My game plan: Design the boat & open source it.

    If the design fills a need it will be built. It’s impact will be limited only by it’s utility.

    If I build it, they will come. That’s how I live my life.

    Create beauty. Watch it’s impact. Adjust worldview.

    Identify. Imagine. Predict. Build. Observe. Assess.

    #12101
    Avatar of elspru
    elspru
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    tusavision wrote:

    My game plan: Design the boat & open source it.

    Aye Aye!

    If the design fills a need it will be built. It’s impact will be limited only by it’s utility.

    If I build it, they will come. That’s how I live my life.

    Build it for yourself, but have enough to share,

    can get people involved early in the process,

    there are various skill sets involved.

    Create beauty. Watch it’s impact. Adjust worldview.

    Identify. Imagine. Predict. Build. Observe. Assess.

    :-)

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    #13066
    Avatar of R-B-Wood
    R-B-Wood
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    Oceanapolis, myself, and others are working towards starting a lagoon/yacht harbor type vacation desitination. We are starting very small scale, but the idea and possibly even the design could be easily scaled to any proportion. We’re basically working to make an affordable proof of concept design.

    #13067
    Avatar of Ken Sims
    Ken Sims
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    R wrote:

    Oceanapolis, myself, and others are working towards starting a lagoon/yacht harbor type vacation desitination. We are starting very small scale, but the idea and possibly even the design could be easily scaled to any proportion. We’re basically working to make an affordable proof of concept design.

    Assuming that you were responding to the post that was immediately above yours, that was a spammer. There were a bunch of spam links at the bottom, so both the post and the spammer’s account are gone.

    Edited to add: The same person also posted several other spam messages to various forum threads from other newly created accounts. All cleaned up.

    #13323
    Avatar of makanbubur
    makanbubur
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    excuse me, who is spamming?

    btw, just want to add up regarding the first post.

    - we can grow hemp to turn seasteading into some sort of production facility

    “Hemp is of first necessity to the wealth & protection of the country.” -Thomas Jefferson

    Quiet simply- Industrial HEMP products are environmental, renewable, reusable and recyclable. There is no other industry, raw material or plant that can match its capacity for products which have the same carbon negative result. It is for this reason that Panacea has ongoing organization for education and manufacture of Industrial Hemp products for renewable industry and sustainable development. Note – Industrial Hemp is the non-psychoactive, low-THC, oil seed and fiber varieties of the Cannabis sativa plant. Industrial Hemp has absolutely no use as a recreational drug and is not “Marijuarna”.

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    In one paragraph, for humanity, there is no other crop on this earth which is as useful.There is no other crop that can produce the same amount of products with the same negative carbon footprint.

    A renewable or sustainable industry is not possible with out replacing the current industrial process with 20,000 Hemp products.Yet policy does not enforce this and the education system does not teach sustainable development with industrial hemp.There is NO other renewable raw material that can eradicate the industrial chemicals out of our world at the source other than adopting the Hemp industry.

    Basic necessities of life like: Food—seeds, oil, flour, medicine—salves, anti-nausea,toiletries—soap, shampoo, lotion,textiles—clothing, towels, bedding, canvas,household products—carpet, detergent, paint, toys,industrial products—paper, building materials including concrete, insulation, fuel, car parts.

    Hemp paper is the most environmentally friendly processed paper available in the world. Hemp resources has the ability to produce chlorine free environmentally friendly whole stem hemp papers. You cannot produce paper with any less of a negative impact on the earth yet why are the world papers still using the alternative? Who is policing this?

    Food: Hemp seed provides nearly complete nutrition with all 10 essential amino acids, all 4 essential fatty acids (EFAs) in the ratio recommended by health experts, and over 30% protein in its most easily digestible forms, making hemp the ideal protein, and ideal food for human consumption.

    If your an Austrlaian you might not realize that ‘In the early 1800s, Australia was twice saved from famine by eating virtually nothing but hemp seed for protein and hemp leaves for roughage.

    Feed: Hemp meal provides all the essential protein that livestock require, yet doesn’t require any antibiotics to digest. When cows eat corn they cannot digest it, needing antibiotics to keep from being sick, which makes the antibiotics less effective on the humans that consume the beef. Hemp is also an excellent animal bedding for horses.

    Body Care: Because of hemp oils high EFA content, especially GLA, hemp helps cells to communicate to rebuild cell membranes, which keeps the skin from getting dry by enabling skin cells to hold onto moisture in their natural lipid layers.Oil: Hemp oil can be made into non-toxic paints, varnishes, lubricants, and sealants. The paints last longer, and the sealants are better absorbed by wood.

    Fuel: Hemp biomass can produce electricity from sulfur-free charcoal, as well as ethanol, yet these industries will be the last to develop due to the high value of hemp food. Hemp can easily be made into biodiesel fuel as well.

    Cars: European plants are making auto panels from hemp based composites that are biodegradable, half the weight of, more durable, and safer than fiberglass counterparts.

    Plastics: Hemp hurds and fiber have over 50% cellulose, the building blocks of plastics. Biodegradable hemp plastics could reduce landfill waste and display unique strength characteristics. Oil based plastics produce biproducts of sulfur and carbon monoxide and do not biodegrade.

    Paper: Hemp pulp paper doesn’t require toxic bleaching chemicals and lasts hundreds of years longer than paper made from trees. It is stronger, and can be recycled many more times than tree paper. An acre of hemp can produce as much pulp as an acre of trees over a 20 year growing cycle!

    Homes: Hempcrete homes, a mixture of hemp and lime, are fire, water, and rodent proof, with excellent elasticity, strength and breathability, which cuts energy costs. Washington State Univ. found hemp board to be three times stronger than plywood.

    Clothes: Hemp is among the longest, strongest, most elastic, and most durable fibers in nature. Hemp is stronger, more durable, softer, more UV protective, warmer, and won’t mildew or rot like cotton fiber, which requires 25% of the worlds crop chemicals.

    This is the bulk of the basic necessities of life. Yet there is no educational program or “carbon negative program” specific to reduce pollution and create a sustainable industry through hemp. Panacea is the only one intent on teaching this in such a capcity.

    Despite Industrial hemp not containing a controlled subsance (THC) you still cannot grow it in the united states for industrial products. Other countries are not as far behind. If you are in the USA please support industrial hemp in the united states.

    The world’s oldest and most versatile crop has the potential to replace all major non-renewable raw materials. It’s a vast range of end-uses include nutrition (the most nutritious single food source known), multi-use fibre for industry and communities, and forestry derived fuel replacement. With deforestation running at around 3% per year, hemp offers respite for trees and superior resources for people. Hemp derived fibre is stronger and more versatile than any other plant derived fibre, including cotton and wood.

    Hemp is also a major resource for construction, creating excellent boards, insulation and ‘bio-crete,’ a sustainable replacement for concrete.The Carbon Challenge is over. An incentive to change over to Hemp can produce faster emission reduction results then any carbon tax.There can be no scientific argument with Hemp as nature’s solution to the Carbon Challenge.

    Hemp’s rapid growth makes it one of the fastest CO2-to-biomass conversion tools available, more efficient than agro-forestry per land use. Hemp grows in diverse soil types and conditions without the need for chemical inputs and improves soil structure while also protecting and binding soil. Hemp also adds nutrients to soil by tapping into sub-soil nutrients other plants cannot access. It also destroys nematodes and other soil pests, resulting in improved yields of follow on crops. With the additional benefits of high nutrition and versatile biomass for raw materials, hemp offers a path to sustainable living in harmony with the environment and eco-systems we depend on.Reference

    Industrial Hemp’s incredible power can be harnessed to meet many of the economic, materials, environmental and nutrition needs of humanity in ways that can be sustained indefinitely. This will only be achieved by developing a community based, sustainable hemp cultivation, processing and production model and Co-Franchising. The local and regional production by Co-Franchisees canno0t be matched by any other carbon reduction scheme.

    Gasification uses high heat to convert biomass into “SynGas” (synthetic gas) and low grade fuel oil. This can be used to run vehicles, generators or for heating. There is no other plant which yields a higher rate of biommass then hemp. The cost effectiveness is in its own class and unmatched by any other plant.Industrial hemp can be grown in most climates and on marginal soils. It requires little or no herbicide and no pesticide, and uses less water than cotton. Measurements at Ridgetown College indicate the crop needs 300-400 mm (10-13 in.) of rainfall equivalent. Yields will vary according to local conditions and will range from 1.5 to 6 dry tons of biomass per acre. There is no waste stream and the system will provide a net carbon reduction due to increased biomass production.Here are some facts and figures which must not be neglected. Employment for hemp production, calculated at one worker per 40 acres farmed, results in a total of 1,700 to 4,275 new jobs.

    Creation of a “Carbon Sink” to absorb carbon cannot be matched by any other plant.University research shows that hemp is one of the fastest growing biomasses known to man. It produces up to 25 tones of dry matter a hectare a year. The effect this crop has on cleaning soils must also be in the equation.Many individual writers, scientists, community groups, environmental / development NGO’s , politicians and governments have identified the problems the challenge facing individuals, groups and governments is to make cities sustainable, livable places, by necessity repairing the ecological damage and restoring ecosystems. This requires a reversal of currentpatterns of development, to living within our ecological “means”; in effect, a transition to a new ecological paradigm.

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    These hemp pages are essential introductory information to increase your comprehension of the beneficial results in instigating hemp-production in both third world and western countries. Hemp production should be embraced for sustainable development and also as a replacement Bio Fuel.

    Panacea have also published useful facts laying out the benefits of establishing Hemp-Bio-Fuel stations globally – for the goal of public lobbying support to count at the federal level. Your petitions and our facts detailing the benefits of Hemp Bio Fuel stations shall be submitted to politicians to let them know that governmental support should be provided.

    Many past and present independent studies attest to the significance, facts and justification for using hemp for sustainable development.A perfect back round on the damage the current industrial products cause, and example a HEMP replacement is the best renewable solution can be found in the following facts provided by the story of stuff dot com.

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    more info at http://panacea-bocaf.org/hempproduction.htm

    #13325
    Avatar of Ken Sims
    Ken Sims
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    makanbubur wrote:

    excuse me, who is spamming?

    The person whose spam post and whose account are long gone. Don’t expect me to remember the details three weeks later.

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