1. Skip to navigation
  2. Skip to content
  3. Skip to sidebar




Rockall

Home Forums Research Law and Politics Rockall

This topic contains 11 replies, has 3 voices, and was last updated by Avatar of Terraformer Terraformer 4 years, 2 months ago.

Viewing 12 posts - 1 through 12 (of 12 total)
  • Author
    Posts
  • #1295
    Avatar of Terraformer
    Terraformer
    Participant

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockall

    There’s another rock about 200m away, although submerged most of the time. It’s claimed, but by a multitude of countries, none of which actually have settlements there. I was thinking of it in regards to it’s use as a mount – an airstrip could possibly be constructed by linking Hasslewood rock to Rockall with a series of concrete barges, which would be towed into place and cemented/bolted together. Do this again and again, and land could be built up around it.

    #10722
    Avatar of Jack
    Jack
    Participant

    I think its a good find, however a couple of points, its cold & its claimed.

    you might get away with settling it if you get permission from the Crown Estates (government owners of all land thats not privately owned).

    #10723
    Avatar of Terraformer
    Terraformer
    Participant

    Except that the crown estates might not own it. It’s claimed by Denmark, Iceland, and Ireland as well. There might be the possibility of settling it and making it a devolved part of the UK – that would allow for a minimalist state on the island and the waters around, while giving the UK a solid territorial claim. Win-win.

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    Seasteading is to Boat Living what Traction Cities are to Vandwelling – simply a matter of scale.

    #10724
    Avatar of Jack
    Jack
    Participant

    I’m afraid Rockall is under UK FEPA regulations & protection, so the WIKI is possibly wrong. (OMG that felt good.. WIKI WRONG) uhem.. :D sorry. Lots of Bird colonys there, infact it was on BBC nature programs a few times as a protection site for wild life :( .

    Also they have new FEPA enforcment officers now who could be going along with royal navy vessels & their EEZ Officers.

    If you want to Seastead in the UK you should look at the chart below, to see what websites you want to visit, because they are treating EEZ’s like national waters.

    #10725
    Avatar of Terraformer
    Terraformer
    Participant

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/alabaster/A755787

    Rockall is NOT a definite UK possession. If they tried to remove anyone from it, it would be in direct contravention of international law.

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    Seasteading is to Boat Living what Traction Cities are to Vandwelling – simply a matter of scale.

    #10727
    Avatar of Jack
    Jack
    Participant

    news.bbc.co.uk/local/humberside/hi/people_and_places/nature/newsid_8544000/8544168.stm

    “Had to get UK planning permission for a Plaque”

    I Understand totaly, however not only is it under UK control, its under SNH protection, which could possibly ask the aid of the RN, not to mention its a dumping ground for Nuclear material, since the 50′s…

    Plus the fact your going to have to deal with this nutty guy, lol.

    http://www.irishpost.co.uk/tabId/60/itemId/2731/Rock-off-Adventurers-want-to-reclaim-Rockall-fo.aspx

    I really do see your point, but i wrote this one off after some research, & some chats with my sister, (she works for SNH back in scotland) & they probably would make a scene about it now. (since its only been past 5 years or so since they really starting to take nottice of the sea life)

    4 rules i try to use for searching for seasteading “land”

    1. Nothing thats above water already!
    2. Nothing thats under environmental or historical protection.
    3. Nothing closer that 15Nautical miles from the nearest nation. (this gives you 3NM to control).
    4. Nothing deeper then 350 meters.

    however ive had terrible luck at finding online free detaild ocean height maps any ideas?

    also how would you develop the island in a little more detail i liked teh runway idea.

    p.s you know the i highest ever recorded wave was at Rockall? 29meters ABOVE sea level! jeez

    #10728
    Avatar of Terraformer
    Terraformer
    Participant

    Well, actually I’m intending to go their to claim it for the UK. I wasn’t actually thinking of declaring it a fully independent nation’ more of a devolved country, like Scotland has, except with more power. The UK has autonomous colonies already around the planet.

    However, no-one came to remove Greenpeace when they occupied it. Provided you don’t try to prevent any of the countries from exploiting the sea around, they’ll probably just tolerate you.

    As to how I’d develop it – if I was trying to get more land – I’d mainly use it as a sea-mount to anchor seasteads. However, that’s not what I want. I’d probably just anchor an airstrip there, using the method I proposed, and construct a hotel inside Rockall, for people who like isolated contemplative places, with a garden on the ledges at the top. If there’s still geothermal potential, I’d try exploiting it.

    __________________________________________________________________________

    Seasteading is to Boat Living what Traction Cities are to Vandwelling – simply a matter of scale.

    #10797
    Avatar of Terraformer
    Terraformer
    Participant

    If you’re worried about the UK government kicking up a fuss, there’s a few submerged islands there that, very rarely, appear above the ocean. That suggests that they aren’t very deeply submerged. Raise a house above the oceans using it as a base, and build floating islands around it to grow crops and raise animals.

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    Seasteading is to Boat Living what Traction Cities are to Vandwelling – simply a matter of scale.

    #10802
    Avatar of elspru
    elspru
    Participant

    Terraformer wrote:

    there’s a few submerged islands there that, very rarely, appear above the ocean. That suggests that they aren’t very deeply submerged. Raise a house above the oceans using it as a base,

    Did you hear how the highest waves are 29 m above sea-level?

    The house would have to be fully submergible.

    Unless you want to put your house on 29 meter stilts (12 stories).

    and build floating islands around it to grow crops and raise animals.

    With all the salt spray, and waves,

    that’s not likely going to work.

    Much more likely if farming the ocean itself.

    By adding nutrients and algaes like kelp.

    Then harvesting the algaes and fish.

    Fish might be high in mercury,

    but dolphins eat them.

    calm aware desire choice love express intuit move

    #10803
    Avatar of Terraformer
    Terraformer
    Participant

    It might get swamped by a freak wave every decade or so, but it can be designed to survive such events. It’s not like the sea level itself is rising to submerge the house – if it’s waterproof, it will be fine.

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    Seasteading is to Boat Living what Traction Cities are to Vandwelling – simply a matter of scale.

    #10805
    Avatar of Jack
    Jack
    Participant

    Terraformer aint that wrong about floating crops.

    If you encase them in plasticated glass greenhouses, of a sort you could plant siberian wheat grain that stuff is ment to grow all year round, & its really short, so your greenhouses could be very squat. or strawberrys, they love seaweed i think.

    As for the 29m waves, were right about that its a bit crazy to try & avoid that, 12 floors high OMG! However, greenpeace used some kinda storm shelter that looked submergible.

    “Fish might be high in mercury,

    but dolphins eat them.” uhm i dont get that?? huh??

    #10808
    Avatar of Terraformer
    Terraformer
    Participant

    I’m doubtful that the UK government would interefere with anyone who decides to set up shop and declare themselves independent – Waveland never had a licence for their shelter. Especially if you have British citizenship. Paddy Roy Bates doesn’t pay National Insurance when he’s on Sealand, after all, and the UK government declared it outside their juristiction, despite it still being withn the EEZ. If you retain UK citizenship, as I said, you retain the rights to fish and extract materials from the seabed.

    If it’s outside the EEZ, like Rockall… St Kilda doesn’t extend the EEZ, not according to the Law of the Sea (to have an EEZ, an island must be able to sustain economic life on it’s own; St Kilda can’t, which is why it was abandoned).

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    Seasteading is to Boat Living what Traction Cities are to Vandwelling – simply a matter of scale.

Viewing 12 posts - 1 through 12 (of 12 total)

You must be logged in to reply to this topic.



Posted on at

Categories:

Written by

Blog/Newsletter

Donate