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  • #1064
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    Seeing as how my entire company’s future hinges on a government employed dockmaster who can’t seem to answer his E-mails or pick up the phone, I’m starting to wonder; Which branches of government are redundant? I’ve thought about this occasionally in the past, but the only one that sticks out as jarringly “useless” is a “Ministry of Arts”

    And for the purpose of this discussion, lets define redundant as something serves no regulatory function. I.e. Ministry of Health regulates medicine and hospital procedures. Ministry of Arts regulates nothing.

    It’s also my opinion that no government should ever involve itself in things like charity. The government body is a machine, the black and white, yes or no organism by which everything runs. Matters of the heart, emotions and such are the realm of people. Like minded groups who are wholly devoted to a cause. Not an entire nation that a government is supposed to represent.

    #7749
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    xnsdvd wrote:

    Seeing as how my entire company’s future hinges on a government employed dockmaster who can’t seem to answer his E-mails or pick up the phone, I’m starting to wonder; Which branches of government are redundant? I’ve thought about this occasionally in the past, but the only one that sticks out as jarringly “useless” is a “Ministry of Arts”

    And for the purpose of this discussion, lets define redundant as something serves no regulatory function. I.e. Ministry of Health regulates medicine and hospital procedures. Ministry of Arts regulates nothing.

    It’s also my opinion that no government should ever involve itself in things like charity. The government body is a machine, the black and white, yes or no organism by which everything runs. Matters of the heart, emotions and such are the realm of people. Like minded groups who are wholly devoted to a cause. Not an entire nation that a government is supposed to represent.

    Back to basics, Xns:

    http://www.geocities.com/johnfkosanke/Civilization101.html

    #7756
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    xnsdvd wrote:
    I’m starting to wonder; Which branches of government are redundant?

    A better question might be: “Which branches of government aren’t redundant?” Medicine can be provided entirely privately. Roads can be provided entirely privately. Docks can be provided privately. Telephone and Internet service can be provided entirely privately. Courts can be provided entirely privately via contracts and contract law. Police/security can be provided privately. Even national defense can be provided privately. Postal service can be provided privately. Sewage service, water, electricity can be provided entirely privately, etc. Charity can be provided privately. Funding for the arts can be provided privately. Education can be provided privately. What does that leave for government?

    That doesn’t even address the issue that competitively provided private services are often higher quality and lower cost than government attempts.

    #7761
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    All these systems assume people make rational informed decisions which is all well and fine for 1st and 2nd generation seasteaders. But my concern is that the consumers don’t have the common sense to act in their best interests 5 – 6 generations down when things become “too good”…

    Ahh.. but then I suppose the answer to that question leads back to the same problem….

    So how would a seastead of 100 people have enough of a population to sustain all this competition? And You really lost me on the “private roads” one, What do we do if the company fails to meet it’s obligations and then declares itself bankrupt?

    #7764
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    Jeff wrote:

    xnsdvd wrote:

    I’m starting to wonder; Which branches of government are redundant?

    A better question might be: “Which branches of government aren’t redundant?” Medicine can be provided entirely privately. Roads can be provided entirely privately. Docks can be provided privately. Telephone and Internet service can be provided entirely privately. Courts can be provided entirely privately via contracts and contract law. Police/security can be provided privately. Even national defense can be provided privately. Postal service can be provided privately. Sewage service, water, electricity can be provided entirely privately, etc. Charity can be provided privately. Funding for the arts can be provided privately. Education can be provided privately. What does that leave for government?

    That doesn’t even address the issue that competitively provided private services are often higher quality and lower cost than government attempts.

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    Hmm. Got an example of national defense being provided privately AND successfully? I can’t think of one. Even the vatican guard is a national military (of the Vatican)

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    I won’t be wronged. I won’t be insulted. I won’t be laid a-hand on. I don’t do these things to other people, and I require the same from them.

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    libertariandoc wrote:
    Hmm. Got an example of national defense being provided privately AND successfully? I can’t think of one. Even the vatican guard is a national military (of the Vatican)

    …which hires Swiss soldiers.

    I advocate individuals defending themselves as a much more practical basis for security than police or military.

    At U.S.police staffing levels, there are approximately one officer on patrol at any given time for every 2 thousand people:

    http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_04/law_enforcement_personnel/index.html

    (1 officer per four hundred people, three shifts per day, say 40% in desk jobs.)

    Not exactly a personal bodyguard who can protect each individual from all crime 24/7/365, is it?

    #7782
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    Jeff wrote:

    Hmm. Got an example of national defense being provided privately AND successfully? I can’t think of one. Even the vatican guard is a national military (of the Vatican)

    …which hires Swiss soldiers.

    I advocate individuals defending themselves as a much more practical basis for security than police or military.

    At U.S.police staffing levels, there are approximately one officer on patrol at any given time for every 2 thousand people:

    http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_04/law_enforcement_personnel/index.html

    (1 officer per four hundred people, three shifts per day, say 40% in desk jobs.)

    Not exactly a personal bodyguard who can protect each individual from all crime 24/7/365, is it?

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    I too advocate people defending themselves…however, that only works against threats with approximately the same level of threat: I can defend myself quite well against a person armed with handheld weapons (firearms or whatever) but not so well against someone armed with a nuclear missile.

    However, while the Swiss guards are indeed mercenaries, what exactly have they defended against? Did the Swiss Guard prevent the Nazis from invading anything? They can prance around in their jumpsuits designed by Michaleangelo with their halberds, but given any enemy with any weapon designed in the last 100 years and they’d be toast, espeically any enemy with more than 135 in their force.

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    I won’t be wronged. I won’t be insulted. I won’t be laid a-hand on. I don’t do these things to other people, and I require the same from them.

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