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  • #15477
    Avatar of georgeberz
    georgeberz
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    Ellmer, why cant you answer if you spent your own money on the 200 ton sub or was it a contract project? seems a real easy question , unless well some got the screw…

    #15478
    Avatar of wohl1917
    wohl1917
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    Capt.Sean wrote:

    Dont thow me in the same boat with that other guy im my own person and go head fill me in on this 4 simple things i have seen the links he has sent go head fill them out and i will stop asking. Please im not tearing his ideas down im just asking things i wanna know.

    1.) where are these subs today. mainly the 90′s one as i understand it the new one has never been in the water and is just sitting

    2.) when he put the 90′s sub in the water how long was it there and what did it do

    3) whats inside them are they filled with the greatness he has shown in his pics of hotel lobbies and planes or just nothing

    4)what kind of motors are inside them or are there none.

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    Avatar of georgeberz
    georgeberz
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    So why not just answer a simple question? or provide a link to where the answer can be found

    Ellmer, why cant you answer if you spent your own money on the 200 ton sub or was it a contract project? seems a real easy question , unless well some got the screw…”

    So did you and or your company screw someone by not getting the details right?, yes or no…

    It is easy for you to call people “umpa lumpa’s” so I guess we should start calling you “poser” and or “scammer”

    #15479

    there is no such thing as open questions – just agressive and uninfomed posters that did not read the pointers when they where provided earlier – from my part this thread is oficially declared umpa lumpa teritorry.

    For a umpa lumpa free discussion space about our concrete submarines visit our concrete submarine forums

    ellmer out and closed….and Ken, can we please have a cero calumny tolerance policy on seasteading forums ?

    #15488
    Avatar of Pastor_Jason
    Pastor_Jason
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    Wil,

    You show much wisdom by not responding further to this thread.

    George and Sean: This is a forum. It comes with a search bar. Try using it BEFORE asking questions. As an old timer on these forums I can answer your questions easily enough.

    Sean-

    #1: Original sub is at the bottom of a lake in Austria and occasionally gets visited as a long term viability test to insure structural stability. The 200 Ton sub is in Columbia.

    #2: Wil actively used it for several years before moving to S. America. It’s a sub, so it goes forward and backward, can turn with a rudder and can go up and down. No angled manuevers like military subs.

    #3: The 1st sub had a wood interior and looked very nice. The 200 Ton sub is empty.

    #4: The original sub had a small engine. Discussion of engine requirements aboard subs can be found by using the search bar.

    George-

    The 200 Ton sub is still drydocked because the investor for it came upon tough times. Given the economic situation the world has been in for the last 3 years, it’s quite understandable. Since that time Wil has created a few other ‘seasteading related pieces’ like his square modular barges and circular plate prrof of concept. If you feel like ripping apart another member’s work first consider what contributions you have made to the effort. Since the answer for you is ‘nothing’ I suggest you find some humility before showing off your ignorance on the matter.

    In the event that I have not covered your questions completely and you desire more information, I will direct you to the SEARCH function of this forum. Don’t waste people’s time just because you’re too lazy to research the history that has been here for years before you showed up. Everything posted above is from memory of the original conversations. I hope it points you in the right direction… namely, towards the SEARCH bar.

    Live Well!

    -Jason

    #15491
    Avatar of shredder7753
    shredder7753
    Participant

    Hey PJ! long time no c! What did u think of my Bergstead model?

    ____________

    My Work II

    “Leadership and do-ership are not the same thing”

    #15493
    Avatar of Ken Sims
    Ken Sims
    Keymaster
    ellmer - http://yook3.com wrote:
    Ken, can we please have a cero calumny tolerance policy on seasteading forums ?

    I had to look up the definition of calumny. The more common words in american english would be defamation or libel. There are differences, particularly if one were considering technical legal definitions, but for our discussion here I think we can consider them equivalent.

    There are two considerations, one general and one specific to me.

    General … A moderator is not going to know whether every statement are true or false, and if false, whether there is malicious intent. I think the best that can be done is require the overt behavior to maintain certain standards. Unfortunately there are no official forum rules.

    Specific to me … You know, as do most of the other people here, that I don’t want to be doing moderation of user discussions. For those who don’t know … my main role as a volunteer is primary spamfighter. My secondary role is a general website admin. I’ve doing moderation of discussions only because it was needful. But I’m not a people person and quite frankly it’s become too much. I hate to come to the forums anymore.

    The TSI Director of Communication is supposed to be back in the office today. I’m going to give him a couple of days to get caught up on things and to see if he replies to my email about the Space Habitation thread. Then I’m going to email him about the forums and also bring in the next level up in the TSI staff hierarchy.

    Basically I’m going to officially back out of doing any moderation of user discussions and strongly recommend to TSI that they do one of the following:

    1. Provide a staff moderator. That would be best because that person could make rules that are official.

    2. Find a volunteer moderator team. I’d recommend at least three people, both for better coverage and so that they can back one another up.

    3. Shut the forums down. People with common interests can create private groups on Google or reddit or wherever.

    Otherwise it’s going to be the Wild, Wild West or the Wild, Wild Seas, or whatever you want to call it.

    I’ll still be doing my spamfighter and admin stuff, but my days as a moderator are coming to end.

    Ken
    Volunteer admin, moderator (for only a little while longer), and primary spamfighter

    #15494
    Avatar of Pastor_Jason
    Pastor_Jason
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    I’ve been on lurk mode. Never too far from coming back in.

    I love the bergstead model. You know I prefer submarines to your bergstead design but that being said, it’s a good model for a SFS. My favorite part was the ‘meteor test’ when you jumped in next to it. The finished piece looks great and I hope you can entice a buyer into comissioning one… maybe aim for lake folk?

    I don’t need to use Wil’s methods to attempt a model of a substead based on his designs. Instead of making a ‘whale’ I was thinking a little more along the line of a floating oyster. There is a lot more than a design that would be needed for a family to pioneer this kind of lifestyle for the world to see. Getting up to par on those agricultural and aquacultural skills has been time consuming but rewarding.

    Glad to see the crowd still active.

    Live Well!

    -Jason

    #15497
    Avatar of elspru
    elspru
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    Pastor_Jason wrote:

    #1: Original sub is at the bottom of a lake in Austria and occasionally gets visited as a long term viability test to insure structural stability. The 200 Ton sub is in Columbia.

    I think it would be good product advertising if Wil (or someone) lived in the 20 submarine.

    Though I guess if it’s a landlocked lake, it could be pricey getting it out of there.

    #2: Wil actively used it for several years before moving to S. America. It’s a sub, so it goes forward and backward, can turn with a rudder and can go up and down. No angled manuevers like military subs.

    seems plenty enough versatility for tea-on-table usage.

    #3: The 1st sub had a wood interior and looked very nice.

    ya, totally liveable.

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    #15498
    Avatar of Capt.Sean
    Capt.Sean
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    there is no such thing as open questions – just agressive and uninfomed posters that did not read the pointers when they where provided earlier – from my part this thread is oficially declared umpa lumpa teritorry.

    For a umpa lumpa free discussion space about our concrete submarines visit our concrete submarine forums

    ellmer out and closed….and Ken, can we please have a cero calumny tolerance policy on seasteading forums ?

    Sure is a such thing as a open questions if you had just taking the two secs to have filled out the 4 points like someone else had done. All this crap you created would have been over a week ago.

    #15499
    Avatar of Capt.Sean
    Capt.Sean
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    there is no such thing as open questions – just agressive and uninfomed posters that did not read the pointers when they where provided earlier – from my part this thread is oficially declared umpa lumpa teritorry.

    For a umpa lumpa free discussion space about our concrete submarines visit our concrete submarine forums

    ellmer out and closed….and Ken, can we please have a cero calumny tolerance policy on seasteading forums ?

    Sure is a such thing as a open questions if you had just taking the two secs to have filled out the 4 points like someone else had done. All this crap you created would have been over a week ago.

    #15500
    Avatar of Capt.Sean
    Capt.Sean
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    Pastor_Jason wrote:

    In the event that I have not covered your questions completely and you desire more information, I will direct you to the SEARCH function of this forum. Don’t waste people’s time just because you’re too lazy to research the history that has been here for years before you showed up. Everything posted above is from memory of the original conversations. I hope it points you in the right direction… namely, towards the SEARCH bar.

    Live Well!

    -Jason

    If he had any wisdom he would have just given the information that was asked from the get go. He has draged it on way to long and i gave up on wanting to find out. You on the other hand finally came forward. Ok so the first sub in underwater so it sunk. I knew thats where the sub was just making sure that the sub was still just sitting doing nothing. So it sounds like both subs are failures. So he used it for years then why are there only a couple of pics of the day it was put in the water. But that really dont matter i could go cut a tree down in the backyard and use it as a boat on a closed lake. Iv seen the one pic on his site but thats it . It looked nothing like the pics he was stealing of inside airplanes. Yea again this 200 ton sounds like a failure on all lvls. I wasnt asking about information on what kind of engines are needed just wanted to know what he had on it. Ok so the invester didnt wanna spend is money on it any more. Im not ripping apart anyone thank you very much. I have given 0 contributions and i say so. I dont try using fake pics or over sale what i have done or not done. I said i was here to learn. I know i am showing my ignorance its called asking questions. Seems like you provided me with what i was looking for thank you for that and i will take note of that.

    #15501
    Avatar of Capt.Sean
    Capt.Sean
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    ellmer - http://yook3.com wrote:
    Ken, can we please have a cero calumny tolerance policy on seasteading forums ?

    Careful what you wish for i think you’ll be the first to go with all those fake pics you use. Then compairing me asking some basic stuff to saying the moon landing is fake. Also what are they spending there millions on they arent working on seasteading there not paying for people to run the site. someone posted they are speading it on there partying and traveling around talking about seasteading and are leaving what i assume are mostly non million dollar companies on the forums to do all the work and spend the money. Why talk about it when they could just be doing. Having a seastead made will do far more then 100 years of talking about it.

    #15504
    Avatar of Mad-Dog-Tannen
    Mad-Dog-Tannen
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    Capt.Sean wrote:
    All this crap you created would have been over a week ago.

    WOAH woah woah woah woah. All this crap HE created? He specifically said AGAIN AND AGAIN that he would not discuss your questions for three distinct reasons.

    FIRST – I saw him post over and over links to the PRE-EXISTING information which you wanted. This is information he has had to put out NUMEROUS times to people asking about his credibility, which he proved CONCLUSIVELY on these forums. You simply were not willing to look through all of his linked information for what you sought.

    SECOND – He said over and over that any further questions you had which COULDNT be answered by the information he linked COULD be answered simply by reading through the older forum information, something which, as PJ pointed out, you were obviously UNWILLING TO DO FOR YOURSELF.

    THIRD – Again, he stated time and time again that he would not deal with you as long as you had a negative attitude towards communicating on these pages. You began by asking a few VERY FREQUENTLY asked questions, and when he would not humor you in filling out the responses AGAIN as he has done many times before you IMMEDIATELY jumped into attack mode, and began calling him a fraud, a scammer, and worse. YOU CREATED ALL THIS CRAP because you simply REFUSED TO BE CIVIL and you were also apparently too lazy to simply DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH.

    I take serious offense to you implying that a long and well standing member of thsese forums is a sham and an instigator when you, some wet-behind-the-ears newby has been causing nothing but headaches.

    As I see it, you have very few chances to begin ACTING LIKE AN ADULT on these pages before I and others here reject you as a nuisance and a child. I SUGGEST that you take these next few days and your next few posts VERY SERIOUSLY as if you do not bring yourself in line in both civility and your ability to put in a bit of grunt work to answer your own, to this point, TRIVIAL questions, you can easily find yourself ostracized and out of this community for good, as nobody will be willing to deal with you or take you seriously.

    Think about that before you reply.

    -Emmett

    #15506
    Avatar of Capt.Sean
    Capt.Sean
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    emmettvm wrote:

    Capt.Sean wrote:

    All this crap you created would have been over a week ago.

    WOAH woah woah woah woah. All this crap HE created? He specifically said AGAIN AND AGAIN that he would not discuss your questions for three distinct reasons.

    -Emmett

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    The reasons are wrong.

    ONE-Those pics led to none of the information i wanted. He linked vids to the 200 ton failure not filling me on any information. and the other like was to pics of his old sinky. He at no point talk about the motor he had put in or how long he used it or anything of what was asked.

    TWO-Never gave me the information if he had just taken the 2 secs this would have been over a long time ago. I found out what i wanted to know on his project

    THREE- if these are asked all the time why didint he just send a link to where those 4 things have been asked again 2 secs not 7 pages.

    FOUR- I never called him any of those fraud, a scammer, and worse. I said he was using fake pics so stick to the facts or if they change the rules like he wants you’ll be out the door. Im here to learn what you guys are doing to see if i wanna get in on it. You dont research how to build a care just cause you want one. You dont go to a dealership and get told when you ask what the mpg are that you need to find it out i wont tell you. Again you better watch your self or you’ll be on the wrong side of the ban hammer with the lies you are saying so me where i called him a sham and an instigator. Do your research

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