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  • #1626
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    Ken Sims
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    People, this is how you manually split a thread …

    Capt.Sean wrote:
    Ken wrote:

    [quote=Capt.Sean]

    Im pretty sure he was asking who you used for your paper weight subs but since it seems you no longer wanna fill me in as to what you have and have not done il have to assume you sir are a liar and a con.

    Capt.Sean, If you want to continue to participate in these forums you’ll knock off these kinds of comments. Wil Ellmer is a long-time and highly respected forum participant. You are a newbie who has no right to an opinion about him yet. Everyone: As Wil pointed out, this thread is specifically for the discussion of the Captain Nemo float out, so let’s keep it on track. Particularly since the forum software doesn’t support splitting threads. If you want reply but off-topic, start the reply but don’t post it. Copy and paste it into a new thread, then close the reply window. Thanks. Ken Volunteer admin, moderator, and primary spamfighter [/quote]

    Your right i shouldnt have said it in such terms and for that i am sorry i am just looking for some simple things filled in for me. maybe you could help get those for me. Id be very thankful for that. I must say that no one has the right to say if i can have an opinion about someone. I have asked some basic things that any new person would ask about what he is working on. I have stayed on topic and he is just failing to reply to the basic things i am asking.

    1.) where are these subs today. mainly the 90’s one as i understand it the new one has never been in the water and is just sitting

    2.) when he put the 90’s sub in the water how long was it there and what did it do

    3) whats inside them are they filled with the greatness he has shown in his pics of hotel lobbies and planes or just nothing

    4)what kind of motors are inside them or are there none.

    he compairs to me asking these as if they were as bad as saying the the moon landing was fakedwhich lead to the off topic chat nothing i or anyone else said he took it off topic by attacking my input and not taking them head on which has created a opinion about him.

    [/quote]

    Since you’re new, you may not have run across this in the thread, but I have on multiple occasions asked everyone to please at least pretend to be civil. I don’t care what you think about someone else. I do care what gets posted.

    There has been a LOT of prior discussion in the forums on metal versus concrete. I don’t blame Wil for not wanting to go back over all of that again. Particularly not where it was detracting from the specific purpose of that thread.

    I’m not into design nor construction of seasteads. Neither my skills nor my interests lay in those areas. So I personally haven’t followed Wil’s discussions closely and can’t answer questions about what is pictures of what, particularly the pictures that appear to be some kind of renderings and not actual photographs.

    As for any submarines that Wil may have sold … it would not be proper for Wil to reveal details about who any private buyer was. And once something is sold, he may not necessarily what was done with it or where it is now.

    Perhaps Wil will address some of those questions in this thread (but that’s his decision to make).

    Or perhaps other participants who do have followed his discussions closely can jump in with some information.

    Ken

    #15398
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    Capt.Sean
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    Capt.Sean wrote:

    …Perhaps Wil will address some of those questions in this thread….

    Sure i could answer some of those questions if they where presented in a proper discussion ambient that brings up a chat the reader wil benefit from.

    What i have heared from you so far on the other threads is that you seem to be more interested in discediting my work than learn about it.

    In that case my “don’t talk to the neo umpa lumpa segment” – discussion politics point 7 applies.

    On the other hand i have offered you to to treat you as serious forum member if you change your behavior.

    The problem of internet forums is always that you do not know to whom you are talking – it could be a high grade engineer with valuable input – a camuflagued competitor with intention to damage your reputation, or just the inmate of a mental institution who did not take his medicine.

    There are segments who are worth to talk with – otheres definitly not – all you have to judge to whom you are talking is the posts.

    Your posts i have read so far do not look really promising to qualifiy you as a interesting chat partner.

    Although i got the impression that you did not read the links and studies i gave you the last time – in that case you would not ask those questions – i will give you 2 linkd where you find the answers to your questions.

    what happened / where are they

    Wil

    concretesubmarine.com

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    glad to see your turning around

    if you just take a look at my 4 point list with what i was asking below

    1.) where are these subs today. mainly the 90’s one as i understand it the new one has never been in the water and is just sitting

    2.) when he put the 90’s sub in the water how long was it there and what did it do

    3) whats inside them are they filled with the greatness he has shown in his pics of hotel lobbies and planes or just nothing

    4)what kind of motors are inside them or are there none.

    what better way is there for u to benefit then get someone behind your idea. I am not here to discedit your work just learn about it and what better way then ask about it. I had a hard time with what pics were of your subs and what were inside airplanes you had them all together. I was just about which were real and not. You said it best i have no idea who you are iv never heard of you and dont know who you are you could be a carzy person or be a dr. So i have to ask about things im sorry i have yet to see anything that makes me think your above having things asked about your work. I have yet to see any of your posts that have fill my simple 4 things in please read them this time. The what happened link does not answer and your second link is to video’s of the sub sitting if you read the 4 points you would know i already know it never made it to the water so it failed to be a sub. Im not asking that please look to the 4 points if you just fill them out we will be down with his and can move on. Please just fill them out.

    #15402
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    georgeberz
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    Who in thier right mind would build a 200 ton sub not near the water and not be able to get it into the water and leave it floundering on the shore.

    I wonder what investors got burned by that one.

    I have asked elimer about constructiong of the pressure hull, how he dealt with cold joints in the concrete, and tha nswer I got was less than forthcoming, basically “Ive agreed to a confidentiallity agreement with the local govt on the non proliferation of submarine designs”

    If you cant discuss it, why are you here… to show pictures of things that are not in the water, never have been in the water and throwing around figures of cost like your a contractor who can build such things for Xamt of $$ per sq yard or ton.

    So elimer are you a builder do you currently build, we know you say you have built and have videos of someone walking around a concrete blob that has not been in the water.

    Concrete costs $100 a yard here in the west coast of the USA thats nearly 2 tons, what brings it up to your costs of $300+ a ton?

    Funny your in columbia and that is where all the drug subs are made, I thought I say your 200 ton sub in the news years ago and cannot place it as a drug sub that was stopped during construction mabye that is the real reason it has not been in the water…

    Did you build it ? of so who did you build it for? probably cant say, I bet they were very upset, did you charge them 300$x200 tons? only then to tell them you cant get it to the water?

    Perhaps you can put all these questions to bed for once, national security aside.

    George – http://outpostalpha.com

    #15403

    please do not quote whole sections – it makes the thread a mess to read for all users due to repetition…

    If you have not got the answer to the 4 points yet you will if you follow the links provided .

    …get someone behind your idea…

    I am no missionary – i am just ok with the idea that you will be sceptic until submarine yachts start to fill the parking lots of your local marina.

    I have no interest to convert sceptics into believers. I am interested to communicate with that small segment of “early embracers” which is the segment that is relevant to my project in its current state.

    I just present things as they are and leave it to the people to form their opinion.

    The whole idea of “your concept is only valid if you can convince me” is a mistaken perception from a “i am the nable of the world” perspective. I am not on your imaginary trial, i have no need to bring better answers to your interogatory than the ones that are already there.

    If you don’t buy it then – it is ok – don’t buy it – don’t get sticky, don’t get hostile, just say i am not convinced and walk away – no hard feelings.

    Wil

    concretesubmarine.com

    #15404

    George, the cost figures i publish are not “cost of concrete” figures – they are project cost figures of real world projects done under real world conditions.

    It is total money pumped into the project / divided by cubic meter living space cranked out. – those cost figures contain all the thousands of details and items you need to run a project BESIDE material cost.

    “funny you are in colombia” – in fact i am from Austria, but i live in south america since 15 years. If you want to insinuate illegal activities from my side i would consider that calumny and handle it accordingly…my good name will not be drawn into that kind of discussion – is that clear?

    #15406
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    shredder7753
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    georgeberz wrote:

    Who in thier right mind would build a 200 ton sub not near the water and not be able to get it into the water and leave it floundering on the shore.

    I wonder what investors got burned by that one.

    I have asked elimer about constructiong of the pressure hull, how he dealt with cold joints in the concrete, and tha nswer I got was less than forthcoming, basically “Ive agreed to a confidentiallity agreement with the local govt on the non proliferation of submarine designs”

    If you cant discuss it, why are you here… to show pictures of things that are not in the water, never have been in the water and throwing around figures of cost like your a contractor who can build such things for Xamt of $$ per sq yard or ton.

    So elimer are you a builder do you currently build, we know you say you have built and have videos of someone walking around a concrete blob that has not been in the water.

    Concrete costs $100 a yard here in the west coast of the USA thats nearly 2 tons, what brings it up to your costs of $300+ a ton?

    Funny your in columbia and that is where all the drug subs are made, I thought I say your 200 ton sub in the news years ago and cannot place it as a drug sub that was stopped during construction mabye that is the real reason it has not been in the water…

    Did you build it ? of so who did you build it for? probably cant say, I bet they were very upset, did you charge them 300$x200 tons? only then to tell them you cant get it to the water?

    Perhaps you can put all these questions to bed for once, national security aside.

    George – http://outpostalpha.com

    Hi George. If you dont have anything nice to say dont say it. We dont really have a moderator, so im trying nicely to tell u that I dont appreciate your approach or your tone. You are not serving anybody but your own destructive nature.

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    “Leadership and do-ership are not the same thing”

    #15407
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    shredder7753
    Participant

    Ellmer – why the hell are you entertaining george and sean? they’re not even reading anything u say. STOP!

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    My Work II

    “Leadership and do-ership are not the same thing”

    #15409
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    Capt.Sean
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    Dont thow me in the same boat with that other guy im my own person and go head fill me in on this 4 simple things i have seen the links he has sent go head fill them out and i will stop asking. Please im not tearing his ideas down im just asking things i wanna know.

    1.) where are these subs today. mainly the 90’s one as i understand it the new one has never been in the water and is just sitting

    2.) when he put the 90’s sub in the water how long was it there and what did it do

    3) whats inside them are they filled with the greatness he has shown in his pics of hotel lobbies and planes or just nothing

    4)what kind of motors are inside them or are there none.

    #15410
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    Capt.Sean
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    I have followed your links one is to pics to your old sub but talks about people around it and who moved it does talk about the light coming in and how cool it is which is kinda neat. nothing on any of the 4 points sorry just a link to something doesnt mean you did something and are able to claim you did. I am just asking you a few things about it and wold like some more information on it. Il take one out of your book im not saying the moon landing is fake im just asking what fuel type they used to get there so at no point am i claiming the moon landing is fake. Im just asking you a few things about what you did and how far you took it. Im not saying you didnt build something and put it in the water im just asking how are you took it. This has become a huge issue for you. Im getting the vibe you think your to good and above people for them to ask you about you. Your the only person that i have seen making these kinds of things and one is a failure and has done nothing but sit and never been put in water so that wont be at my local marina and look to my 4 points. I dont know where the old one is. If you sold it just say so im not asking who has it and where are they. You have done somethimg outside the box and if you dont wanna tell people about it and try to get people on board then it wont take off and il never see on unless i come down to you and see it sitting at a dock. You are a salemans if you like it or not its your idea and if you say and act like your not then your idea will die with you if not sooner. At no point have i said its fake and it could never be done. I have just said metal seems to work out well. I have joined here to learn about seasteading and get information on it. I have to say it started off well but im not to happy with the way things have gone. Like it are not stand as part of the seasteading idea and you have done so poorly and will people off to it and keep people who could have helped the idea away. You have hard enough of a sale to get people on board and keep them wanting to help out. I wish i was asking for hard things for you and looking for better answers from you but im am just asking basic stuff from you. Im not putting you on trial but maybe you should learn everyday is a trial everytime you talk to someone they judge you thats life. At no point have i been mad i just wish you would just fill me in made it easy for everyone im ready for this to end the ball is in your court are you ready to end this so we can move on. I am the other people on here are. Here they are

    1.) where are these subs today. mainly the 90’s one as i understand it the new one has never been in the water and is just sitting

    2.) when he put the 90’s sub in the water how long was it there and what did it do

    3) whats inside them are they filled with the greatness he has shown in his pics of hotel lobbies and planes or just nothing

    4)what kind of motors are inside them or are there none.

    There you are as you can see there is no prove they are real. Theres no the moonlanding is fake bs like you make it seem to be. There are very simple straight foward things. So just save us time and fill them out. No more links to other stuff and claim they are the answers. This has gone on for far to long and im sure no one wants it to go on.

    #15411
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    Capt.Sean
    Participant

    shredder7753 wrote:

    Hi George. If you dont have anything nice to say dont say it. We dont really have a moderator, so im trying nicely to tell u that I dont appreciate your approach or your tone. You are not serving anybody but your own destructive nature.

    please do not quote whole sections – it makes the thread a mess to read for all users due to repetition.

    Hi shredder maybe you should read what ellmer wrote. We really dont have a moderator so if you could make sure to keep things cleaned up and not such a mess
    Thanks
    #15412
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    elspru
    Participant

    Yes, it is curious, as to what happened to the 20 ton prototype.

    If it’s still available, it could easily become a bachelor seastead.

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    #15393

    Capt.Sean wrote:
    …Perhaps Wil will address some of those questions in this thread….

    Sure i could answer some of those questions if they where presented in a proper discussion ambient that brings up a chat the reader wil benefit from.

    What i have heared from you so far on the other threads is that you seem to be more interested in discediting my work than learn about it.

    In that case my “don’t talk to the neo umpa lumpa segment” – discussion politics point 7 applies.

    On the other hand i have offered you to to treat you as serious forum member if you change your behavior.

    The problem of internet forums is always that you do not know to whom you are talking – it could be a high grade engineer with valuable input – a camuflagued competitor with intention to damage your reputation, or just the inmate of a mental institution who did not take his medicine.

    There are segments who are worth to talk with – otheres definitly not – all you have to judge to whom you are talking is the posts.

    Your posts i have read so far do not look really promising to qualifiy you as a interesting chat partner.

    Although i got the impression that you did not read the links and studies i gave you the last time – ( in that case you would not ask those questions over and over again) – i will give you 2 links where you find the answers to your questions.

    what happened / where are they

    Wil

    concretesubmarine.com

    #15418
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    georgeberz
    Participant

    Ellmer, did you personally fund the 200 ton sub?

    #15462

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    #15464
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    xns
    Participant

    I’m just blown away by the fact that shredder told someone else to be nice or shut up…

    Ellmer, I’m amazed at the patience you’ve got for this level of.. strange behaviour. It’s almost as if seasteading appeals more to emotionally retarded, grumpy antagonistic types than anything. Tsk, disappointing.

    King Shannon of the Constitutional Monarchy of Logos.

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