September 29, 2011 at 2:51 pm #15696
what the best way to tackle seasteading might be, just talking about it won’t get us anywhere. The wild west wasn’t driven by conversation but hardcore determined people who jumped in their wagons and headed west.
Most of the discussion seems to revolve around what kind of wagon to use.
And how will we build a house, feed our family, once we get there?
calm aware desire choice love express intuit moveSeptember 29, 2011 at 5:57 pm #15700
is your “house”. How we’ll feed ourselves? To start with, you stack on dry foods (rice, beans, etc), canned foods and other basic supplies. While “home”, you start fishing. You eat some and you’ll sell whatever it’s extra. This scenario alone will be able to provide for all the needs of a medium sized seastead.October 4, 2011 at 3:47 am #15748
Shredder, googled your concept. It does look like a modified barge design. As a floating unit I believe it will work. Submerging the entire unit I’m not so sure of. What type of business is your seastead incorporating? Would your unit be self sustaining. Why are you using so much concrete? You have an opening for a boat. How are you going to create a solid seal for submerging. The cable hung concreate structure on the bottom might work fine in caostal waters, but would hurt your structure in the deep ocean. Underwater swells would push and pull your concreate weight, causing an opposite effect on top,possibly tearing your structure apart. What type of doors are you using between rooms? Is each room independent from the other? When you are thinking submerging are you thinking submarine? Just to note,95% or more of your interior needs to be secured to the unit to limit flying debri.safety. Costs wise, It might be cheaper to work your designs around an already existing barge you could pick up at bargain price.October 4, 2011 at 4:45 am #15750
Sam im just curious. do u have an example of another shape that could possibly survive a hurricane? are there any vessels known to date that are capable to handle a full on cyclone (besides a normal submarine)? thats the concept with this design. the exterior doors are water tight, pressure resistant hatches. the garage door and the door from the porch both lead to the same enclosed area. from there we have only one door that enters the living space. that makes the garage like a “buffer zone” (credit to Oceanoplois for the idea).
when u said the cable-hung concrete weight would only be okay in “coastal waters”, how far out is that? i never pictured this design being installed more than 25-30 miles out. its really intended to just get past the 12-mile mark – call it a novelty. i dont have a specific business plan in mind. i want to be the builder of the bergs, or maybe own a majority stake in the company that produces them. there are MANY possible uses: fishing outpost, scuba outpost, bed and breakfast, private residence, time-share, government border monitoring station, university / science outpost, exotic surgery center, super sex den, anything u dream up. we build.
“Leadership and do-ership are not the same thing”October 5, 2011 at 2:35 am #15756
Shredder, I have several drawings/ideas, but Ellmer found something close to one of my drawings you might like, that I think would compliment any weather situation if done correctly. Go to home page,click on “making a 50′ concrete sphere’, and go to quote #10, click video. Though there is room for adding ideas, I would increase the height at the center line to absorb the waves. This concept could easly be redesigned for submersable ventures. I have a lot of different thoughts that go into a concept like thiis. Depending on the weight and size you could manuver in and out of water ways or venture out to deep sea if you wish. Though if you want to ride huricane waves, make sure 100% of loose objects are secured/bolted down,and be able to handle the flip over of your vessel. If your weight distribution is correct you should flip top side up.I am not sure how your passengers will fare, so you might want a sparce crew.Or, you could incorporate a submersible design with ballast system and manuver under water about 100′ down.If the design is done correctly, it would out manuver a submarine. More rambling thoughts. As far as taking on a cyclone, I would not do it with a small vessel,it would probably lift you out of the water. More thoughts for later.October 5, 2011 at 4:44 am #15758
shredder7753ParticipantOctober 7, 2011 at 1:59 pm #15782
are there any vessels known to date that are capable to handle a full on cyclone (besides a normal submarine)?
and people keep asking me why I’m such a hardcore fan of substeads. I’ve got kids, I don’t mind raising them in slightly more dangerous environment than where they are but anything less than a substead is not going to survive in the long term. I want one of my kids to inherit the ‘stead once I’ve passed… most floating communities have to rebuild their homes constantly. How can one amass wealth when your home keeps getting destroyed?
Of course, I’m not for multi-million dollar solutions either. It’s a nice dream but it’ll never get built.June 4, 2012 at 8:14 am #20653
when a ship rgiitraion thing can be run from liberia why not this independce from leas a harpbouer or lease somthing from a cruopt goverment like you can have dive classes insied burma if you pay the rhigt ppl ? or find some oute date beach trurist place where the backpackers dont go anymore and they did not upgraded it to adventure honymoon foks ?
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