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  • #1493
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    For seastead projects contemplated within national jurisdictions, there are regulatory aspects to consider as well as legal. Cape Wind provides an example of the kind of regulatory processes involved.

    Cape Wind is a wind power project which consists of 130, 3.6 megawatt wind turbine generators covering approximately 25 square miles in federal waters off Massachusetts in the US. On April 26th, Cape Wind reached a key regulatory milestone when their Construction and
    Operations plan was approved by the main US federal regulator, the Bureau of Ocean Energy Management Regulation and Enforcement (BOEMRE). BOEMRE is the same organization that regulates off-shore drilling in the Gulf of Mexico, for example. This is the latest step in a regulatory process which I summarize below:
    2001-11 – Cape Wind proposes the Cape Wind Energy Project to the US Army Corps of Engineers
    2003-05 – MEPA Certificate on Environmental Notification
    2004-11 – US Army Corps of Engineers issues a draft Environmental Impact Statement
    2005-05 – Army Corps of Engineers Scoping Document
    2005-05 – Bureau of Ocean Energy Management Regulation and Enforcement (BOEMRE assumes control
    2005-05 – BOEMRE initiates its own environmental review
    2005-05 – Draft Environmental Impact Statement Executive Summary
    2005-05 – MEPA Certificate on Draft Environmental Impact Report
    2005-05 – Energy Facilities Siting Board Staff Final Decision (1 of 3)
    2005-06 – MEPA Notice of Project Change
    2005-07 – Energy Facilities Siting Board Staff Final Decision (2 of 3)
    2005-07 – Energy Facilities Siting Board Staff Final Decision (3 of 3)
    2007-09 – MEPA Certificate on Final Environmental Impact Report
    2008-01 – BOEMRE publishes a draft Environmental Impact Statement
    2008-03 – BOEMRE hosts public hearings on environmental impact
    [over 42,000 comments were received, and reviewed]
    2009-01 – BOEMRE publishes a final Environmental Impact Statement
    2010-04 – BOEMRE issues Record of Decision to select the project preferred alternative location
    2010-10 – BOEMRE signs a lease for commercial wind energy development
    [Cape Wind signs 33 year lease for 46 square miles of the Outer Continental Shelf]
    [pays $88,278 in annual rent, replaced by a 2%-7% royalty on wind energy revenue]
    2010-10 – Cape Wind Associates submits a Construction and Operations Plan
    2011-02 – Additional Public Comment Sought on Environmental Impact Assessment
    2011-02 – Cape Wind Associates Updates Construction and Operations Plan
    2011-04 – Cape Wind Associates Updates Construction and Operations Plan
    2011-04 – BOEMRE issues Environmental Assessment and a Finding of No New Significant Impact
    2011-04 – BOEMRE approves Construction and Operations Plan
    Permits are required, many are now attained but some remain pending, from ten federal organizations, ten state organizations, one regional organization and four local organizations. While the wind turbines themselves were outside state waters, power lines, transformers and other bits put the project within reach of various state and local jurisdictions.
    There is lots more information out there, but here are two particularly useful sources:
    #13370
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    Whats with the leases, draft studies and Big Government / Big Brother studies?

    I don’t know what expert syndication or wealth base you and your comminuty represent, but all of these things are totally WAY OUT THERE – abit too much waste of time for the simpler frontier’s types here. Who cares what the army corps or FDA do? The whole idea is to drop all those laws and legalese. MEPA? BOEMR? WTH? Notice of Project Change?!? Energy Facilities Siting Board Staff Final Decision?!? F-it.

    Tether a house boat and bunch of earth filled pontoons for growing food/livestock together and anchor them in an area calm of weather and unpolluted. Fill up and raise the seabed. Guns and Bibles (or whatever religious text) optional. Use solar cookers or solar panels. Grow herbal medicines. Brew your own beer and wine. Get your womenfolk to learn to use looms.

    Going big with turbines and high tech stuff make the costs of Seasteading prohibitive or impossible for Joe Public (actuallu it gives the impression – 20K at most, 5K on a shoestring if you ask me to set up as above – I hear that concrete coated pontoons last for 200 years and can cost as low as 200 each) due to requirements of coordination. Piling is not even needed. It could be cheaper to just dump rocks and build lighter material structures.

    I personally do not need any team of experts or a single report. Hell I could be illiterate and still Seastead. So whats with creating the feel that this is only for the ‘rich’?

    End of story. All those reports are a waste of man hours and excuse to not set anchor somewhere to set up a sea stead if you ask me.

    Take a deep breath and ignore the comment (if you are a murderous scary psychotic greasy haired pinstripe / neon suited suited guy, otherwise hope to hear an appropriate comeback!

    #13373
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    A lot of the delays and legal wrangling surrounding the Cape Wind project are mostly due to NIMBY. Everyone wants clean cheap power but Holy Crap don’t let me see a wind turbine from the deck of my vacation home on the Cape.

    Local residents put up a shitstorm which caused tons of issues. But the process of putting up an offshore wind farm is a long a drawn out process. Same goes for the LNG storage facility in Long Island Sound. Everyone wants cheap natural gas, but WHAT ABOUT THE TERRORISTS!!

    If you want to do anything within the territorial waters of an existing nation, especially a developed nation like the US or the UK, you are going to be floating in paperwork long before you are floating in the water. Unless you plan on tethering that “house boat and bunch of earth filled pontoons” in the deep ocean you are going to have to get used to paperwork, rules, regulations, and red tape.

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    hi @i_is_j_smith,

    ” Unless you plan on tethering that “house boat and bunch of earth filled pontoons” in the deep ocean ”

    HAH! Who said anything being in territorial waters. It’s all pissed up. Get the hell away from ALL failed landsteads. Well maybe some friendly governments could allow Seasteads of a certain size though?

    Don’t say it likes its a bad thing to be in deep ocean otherwise. There really isn’t an ocean too deep unless you are talking about the trenches. Set root in a shallow area if possible.

    Paperwork, rules, regulations, and red tape are a waste of resources and a waste of manhours, even to read. A roll of toilet paper has more value than half a dozen 500 page reports IMHO.

    Terrorists? They’d be targetting supertankers rather than somewhat impovershed Waterworld type ‘Atolls’, in fact let’s keep the Entertainment Sections (or separated ones that confirmed non-dangerous non-residents can use) in Seasteads open to them so long as they don’t kill anyone. Besides Seasteads could still get state of art weaponry from mainland under certain conditions. Perhaps station an old dated destroyer or battleship to prevent terrorists? They aren’t a match for even dated conventional military equipment so it’s nothing a few million which so many people do have can ensure security for). I recall a British Air craft carrier for sale at 4 million, theres no need to fuel or run the craft constantly, just station, so running costs would be zero except for any ammo spent.

    You can be certain though that the undercover enforcement would immediately there as well, but so long as there is no red tape or taxes, I’m sure ALL 401K types (maybe a few millionaires with a dark past as well (Madoff!) would be happy to be in ‘Deep Ocean’ Seastead colonies).

    Who said anything about gas or fuel? Solar cookers and Sails! To hell with petrochem or the military industrial complex.

    #13375
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    My own view of Seasteading is that the minimum viable size to demonstrate that it can scale is in the order of a ClubStead or larger. Though a ClubStead can survive in international waters, it has a greater chance of thriving and thus demonstrating viability if it is close to a major city. This, by definition, puts it in waters under sovereign control. Cape Wind is a sobering example of the kind of regulatory hurdles that will need to be overcome.

    However, Cape Wind also demonstrates that the regulatory hurdles, though daunting, can be overcome.
    Cape Wind suggests that it might be easier to be within the three nautical mile limit. Despite putting itself outside the state’s three mile limit, Cape Wind ended up being subject to state regulation anyway. The extra layer of federal regulation was deferential to public opinion at the state and community levels. Reading the detail on the Cape Wind story, federal regulators were also at pains to make sure that State officials were on-side before they gave any approvals.
    So – if you are within national jurisdiction, you can’t avoid the regulators. Instead, plan to work with them instead of around them.
    A viable Seastead in territorial waters would prove the concept technically and economically. With a technically and economically proven concept, establishing in international waters becomes an easier challenge than the one already overcome proving the concept in territorial waters.
    I envision a protected Mega-Float like structure in the Pacific, off the coast of San Francisco, close to TSI and within the three mile limit. This lets the business model be selling affordable ocean housing to San Francisco residents. A 500-unit project would generate about $250 million in pre-committments, enough to allow the project to be built.
    A 500-unit model would allow houseboats to cluster, for those who wanted that sort of thing. If the 500 unit model was successful, it could become a 5000 unit project very quickly – and a multiplicity of governance models could be tested.
    In the process of being successful and growing, comfort levels would grow to repeat the model elsewhere – close to coastal cities, as well as in international waters.
    #13380
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    ” In the process of being successful and growing, comfort levels would grow to repeat the model elsewhere – close to coastal cities, as well as in international waters. ”

    International waters are the only thing that makes such a project special. Why would you want to be bound by laws in territorial ones?

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    To @Oceanopolis

    While I advocate the sharing of those with extreme wealth and that plutocrats grow a conscience to service the very poor (I am not them btw nor expect any largess – well maybe to use the amenities too expensive to set up on my own in a plutocrat run seastead at most – if I were a plutocrat I’d run for candidacy to end structures and laws that parasite and impoverish via loopholes, I can’t say I know Trump entirely or if he represents the second tier of the establishment, but if hes not then he’d be a good example of what a plutocrat should do, maybe you could get him to participate in building TSA free private airports and Seasteads for political refugees like myself) Plutocrats should understand their responsibility to everyone else. I’d say it’s worse than 500 years in some ways, they are not so clearly defined and law loopholes that it is not easy to identify who is honest or not.

    2) BUT to do so from the start it’s a paradox since you will have to get finance from the same people that you want to cap their wealth.

    Cap more valid if not already invested and merely sequestering. Those who are all tied up should remember that if the technicians and blue collars, even low level medical personnel boycott, society collapses. Thus invest in the poor to ensure society does not collapse. everytime you sequester, society becomes more difficult to navigate, also the law makers are making it more difficult. to maneuver by making it impossible to own anything or even get an education. Try maximum wage or disallowing loss making public stock listed companies to gove bonues for a start. No golden parachutes for any loss makers. In fact, penalise even if already wealthy.

    Actually the cap means to spend on anything including a series of soup kitchens and homeless shelters bearing their own brand name. It’s the sequestration and non-re-investment into society and useless things (like paying lobbyists or buying trinkets) that bother me most. People are dying and going without education, without home. The cap also ensure distribution and investment of wealth overall.

    Frankly, I think the plutocrat could make sure that Seasteads of independenty coloneis thrive and meanwhile challenge the political structurer on our behalf. Meanwhile of course, ‘No 3rd World In My Backyard’ should be the goal of the plutocrat all the while advocating and creating areas of freedom via Seasteads. We need people to break free of the hegemony not further impose it, and Seasteads provide a firm challenge to nazi-party or whatever rubbish posing as democracy while being throughly undemoceratic or apartheid or nepotistic or pro-big pharma or pro-big brother/big gov./GMO/nuclear lobby.

    A grouping of worlds wealthiest could challenge every government rather than collude and abet to the demise of mankind, and if the USA for instance could have a few right minded Generals take over (yes, a JUNTA of all things) from super-inefficient the Good Cop Bad Cop (Demonrat/GOP) we could be rid of ALL lobbies including the Zionist one and end the Fed Reserve, protect 2nd amendment etc.. The rest of the 3rd world would follow suit and Seasteading would suddenly be not the way out for mankind.

    A hegemony via plutocracy causes society to cpollapse, so it’s not very paradoxical to demand a cap. Whats to say that even a grouping of 20 millionaires cant achieve what a single billionaire can’t? In fact the same kinds of groupings could act against ANY billionaire.

    I am just coming into awareness of alot that is wrong and since lacking finances, can only think in terms of escape, I tried fighting as best as I could without use f massive finances, but now it is up to those with the political and financial resources to act. I have done more than what so many in better positions could have and am not interested in landsteads anymore. Maybe a single foray into politics? But I think that is no longer viable, zero privacy lives have a terrible disadvantage.

    If you know what I spoke of just above, please advise, am at a loss and though would like to participate, can no longer do so. SSing seems to be my fate, at least for now until the vengefuk govt. decides to close the doors on the abuse of minds of activists.

    Just asking again, is there a Seastead that is in formation that would allow my houseboat and pontoons attachment to be part of? And why Florida? Even read about weather control and HAARP? Florida is a disaster waiting to happen IMHO and from what I heard the Corexit issue and oil pollution is affecting Florida as well. So Florida? You sure? It’s also a tsuname potential zonme btw. Hear soon.

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    #13382
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    To Duane.

    If I’m not mistaken, TSI envisioned building something similar around San Francisco with the Clubstead. I live in Florida so I am not familiar with the price of realestate in the San Francisco area,…What I can tell you is that Florida was hit hard by the foreclouser wave and for about $50k you can buy a 2 bedroom single family house in decent shape, here. If $ Half a Mil for a “unit” it’s an affordable price for housing in San Francisco, I will take your word for it. But it seems high to me. Keep in mind also that the further from land the higher the maintance and the price for commuting and conducting business on this seastead will be. Assuming that the seastead will be within the 3 miles range as you said, lets say 1 mile from shore, every owner will look at a min $10k-$20k per month “HOA” fee for maintenance, ferry services, etc, if not more. So, you will basicaly cater to an elite of multi-millionaires since they will be the only one affording to pay those prices. Consequently, the only form of “governance” possible on your seastead will be a plutocracy. Now, this is all OK by me, if this is what you want, or if this is what it takes to jumpstart seasteading. But in reality this will be just another business with no new forms of social and political structures, unless, of course the plutocracy will decide to self-impose itself to new, creative forms of governance. What are the chances for that? Slim to none. An alternative to all this will be to start inside the San Francisco Bay, and a bit smaller in size, lets say 50 units. Still a plutocracy after all, but of a more middle to upper crust one, entreprenural oriented, since it will be a bit more affordable in terms of price :). A good example of how such a ventured can be turned into a succesfull business is the Sunset Key off Key West Florida.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunset_Key

    http://www.insideflorida.com/detail/sunset-key/

    http://www.saveonfloridatravel.com/key_west_sunset_key_g_cottages.htm

    To Seasteader.

    Ok, the oligarchy is going bezerk nowadays. Is that news to you? ‘Cause in fact it’s much better then 500 years ago…At least there are few thousand of multi-millionaires rather then a handfull of despotic kings and sultans,…Imposing caps on wealth it’s just an utopian dream man….Regardless, I do agree that “International waters are the only thing that makes such a project special’, BUT to do so from the start it’s a paradox since you will have to get finance from the same people that you want to cap their wealth, unless you have 1 billion to spend already.

    #13387
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    “The window has a wonderful view of a lake,
    but the view doesn’t view itself.
    It exists in this world
    colorless, shapeless,
    soundless, odorless, and painless.”

    So does seasteading. We are talking about a concept here. It’s only in our mind, so far. It exists only in our imagination. The ocean doesn’t know about seasteading. The ocean doesn’t care if we seastead or not. “Florida” doesn’t know that we call it so or if it’s a disaster waiting to happen. There are no “disasters” but just normal natural events that we humans have to deal with. Therefore, “Florida” is as good as any other coastal place on this Planet to start seasteading simply because I happen to live here and I have decided to do so.

    If by “in formation” you meant “in the planning”, the answer is yes. Of course there is a plan for a seastead, lol. Is it happening now? Not yet. Planning takes time. Is your houseboat, pontoon or whatever you have going be allowed to be a part of it when it will happen? Of course man, everybody’s welcomed.

    As for the rest,…the world’s politics, the money, the “special interests”, etc, they don’t mean a damn think 1000 nm offshore. A group of intelligent, determined people will make it out there.

    Why bother trying to change the ways things are on land? If you do so, you won’t have any time left for seasteading :)

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    1) It’s only in our mind, so far. It exists only in our imagination. The ocean doesn’t know about seasteading.

    it’s nothing imaginary. An aggregate vision of things that already exist might as well be existent. The money is there so it does exist. Whether the ocean knows or not is a moot point.

    2) Florida” doesn’t know that we call it so or if it’s a disaster waiting to happen. There are no “disasters” but just normal natural events that we humans have to deal with.

    You can’t ignore the corexit and oil spill or that it is a tsunami zone.

    3) Therefore, “Florida” is as good as any other coastal place on this Planet to start seasteading simply because I happen to live here and I have decided to do so.

    Whatever man. Try the coast off Fukushima too while you’re at it. Or live at Giedi Prime if you like. I prefer someplace far from the chemicals, oil rigs and the radioactivity. Damn, 1 wasted colonist choosing a wasteland off the coast of one of the worst states in the USA, hope you do well though. I’m heading somewhere unpolluted by oil or chemicals and weather pattern safer. XD

    4) As for the rest,…the world’s politics, the money, the “special interests”, etc, they don’t mean a damn think 1000 nm offshore. A group of intelligent, determined people will make it out there.

    True but for the armies which I really hope the UN and NAM or SCO will watch over to prevent.

    5) Why bother trying to change the ways things are on land? If you do so, you won’t have any time left for seasteading :)

    It’s true again, but I have never known any other life but the landstead. Just give up on em? Hmm…then again I am also tired. I will need a non-Florida colony to base in though, you sure you want Florida only :P

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    #13397
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    you think that you know better, then just do it. Why even bother talking about it? Stop wasting your time. Go! If you are tired, go to sleep and get some rest. If you “need” a non-Florida colony then just go and do it wherever it might fit your needs. I didn’t invite you anywhere. I just said that everybody is welcomed. Seastead wherever and however you want.

    PS. And don’t forget to take your pills every day. It is important.

    #13398
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    Cool man. Was just worrying about your health. Corexit, gulf and the spill (also death of sea life there) are big issues that may appear to boomerang in due time. Read up on it when you calmed down.

    Btw not to take too many pills is also important. Am talking about it cos it’s a colony effort where a single person wouldn’t make it. Looking for similar minded colonists so talking? Try organic pesticide free herbs instead of pharma pills too.

    Feel free to msg or chat anytime.

    #13399
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    I was just joking about the pills man :). I do know about corexit,…and I agree that there are big issues with it. The whole thing with the Deepwater Horizon spill and then spraying corexit on the slick is like treating cancer with medication that will give you heart attack as side effects, it’s f,… up!

    I do live on the east coast of Florida, and we didn’t have problems here. The waters are still pristine, very clean, and the reef wasn’t affected. But the ramifications of corexit getting into the fisheries and therefore ending up on the dinnerplates are still yet to be researched and monitored closely. I quote:

    “Reportedly Corexit may be toxic to marine life and helps keep spilled oil submerged. There is concern that the quantities used in the Gulf will create ‘unprecedented underwater damage to organisms.’[30] Nalco spokesman Charlie Pajor said that oil mixed with Corexit is “more toxic to marine life, but less toxic to life along the shore and animals at the surface” because the dispersant allows the oil to stay submerged below the surface of the water.[31] Corexit 9500 causes oil to form into small droplets in the water; fish may be harmed when they eat these droplets.[5] According to its Material safety data sheet, Corexit may also bioaccumulate, remaining in the flesh and building up over time.[32] Thus predators who eat smaller fish with the toxin in their systems may end up with much higher levels in their flesh.[5]

    #13402
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    Will figure out the dynamics of online or even offline communication eventually. Any advice or hints? It’s such a disadvantage. Whats with the mind downloads or is it just very well networked hacking? Then you do know why I want to SS. It’s hellish . . .

    The eventually diffusion in water might eventually affect that area still but not in a few years maybe. A SS unless mobile might be too much to rebuild later. Thoughts?

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