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  • #1251
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    OCEANOPOLIS
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    As a Florida resident, I’ve been keeping a concerned (and critical) eye on the massive oil spill in the Gulf… Today is day 17. Around 200k gal. of oil/day are pouring in the Gulf. (this is what they tell us). We are looking @ 3.4 Million gal. so far,…

    IMAGINE.

    What if a seastead would have been already build by now. A big one, of, lets say 3000 ft, and a highly mobile one. What if, @ the time of this accident SEASTEAD was sitting @ anchor minding its on business, 500 nm from the location of the accident. @ 20 knt, SEASTEAD would have been there in 25 hrs. 1 DAY. @ 3000 ft, SEASTEAD tankage capabilities would be at least 5 Mil. gal. After 1 DAY, SEASTEAD would have been able to start sucking in the floating sludge (which at that time was only 200k gal) and pump it in its tanks.Then the sludge would be transfered into “smaller” oil tankers that would dock by the SEASTEAD, shipped away to port and disposed of. Even without the smaller oil tankers, SEASTEAD would have 1.6 Mil gal. of tankage available now for another 8 days. If SEASTEAD would have been there maybe the spill would have been under 100k gal.

    I did say IMAGINE. Back to REALITY. They are trying to cap that well as we speak. If they fail, then what? Even if they succeed in the next few days or weeks, the economical impact in terms of the $ amount will be in the billions, from the fishing and shrimping to the environmental one.

    A 3000 ft. SEASTEAD can be build for $2.5 billion. It makes more sense.

    #10113
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    Jeff-Chan
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    The oil spill is spread over a large area, not a single point. There were already many large ships trying to mitigate the spill. The oil spill is so large that they had little effect.

    #10115
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    I was under the impression gathering spilled oil involved skimming it? Or are you referring to a seastead with oil rig capabilities? That and.. pardon my being technical but, 20 knots is pretty damn fast for a seastead(I’m guessing you meant 3000sqft). And, how would you store that much oil on a seastead so small?

    Seriously, I’m very interested in how this would be achieved from an engineering POV.

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    #10124
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    SailorTrash
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    We expect to be down in the Keys in a month or two, so we’re watching this closely as well. Latest from Reuters shows a chance of it being picked up in the Florida Loop and being carried to the Gulf Stream. Might stretch up to Hatteras.

    S/V Sovereign: http://seagypsies-mikeandkatie.blogspot.com/

    Taking our cue from the Eskimos, boat people have over 30 words for “leak.”

    #10125
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    a 3000′ length x (lets say) 1500′ beam seastead, not like an oil rig, but more like a floating island. Yes, if it goes into the Loop, its gonna be bad,…

    #10127
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    OCEANOPOLIS
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    05/10/3010

    4 days later and 800,000.00 gal. of crude spilled in the Gulf, (since my initial post) there is no progress ,…As I was saying, ” If they fail, then what?”. They failed the “dome” attemped to cap the leak. We are @4.2 Mil gal. spilled. These are the facts. And there is no “Plan B”

    Pls dont get me wrong, the spill is not that bad, …the satelite photos show an area no bigger than Rhode Island (or so they say). I think we should wait a bit more and if it gets to the size of Texas, than, out of nationalistic pride (since an oil spill cannot be bigger than our largest state) MAYBE the US Goverment might decide to get involved and send the Navy and the Seabees, which, by the way, shud have been done immediately after the spill,..

    #10130
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    Thorizan
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    The fringe thinks this was caused by North Korean suicide torpedo(s):

    http://www.wral.com/golo/blogpost/7523004/

    http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2010/04/22/2010042201171.html

    How would that effect things if such were the case?

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    #10131
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    If these rumours are true, that would be an act of war against the US. But it wont change anything in terms of the environmental impact of the spill. What I am trying to say in this post is:

    1. The oil companies involved in deep water oil exploration and production are not prepared to deal with massive oil spill.
    2. The whole “ideology” of “lets contain the spill while @ sea so it doesnt reach dry land” its crap. Total nonsense. Its like saying that its ok if 1 billion gal. of sludge is floating out there @ sea as long as its not running ashore. The same twisted mentality that seems to apply to the GPGP.
    3. The technology is here to deal w/massive oil spills by doing what I proposed in the initial post, which is sucking the sludge in big tankers, separate the oil, and than dispose of it.
    4. Seasteading @ this point is focused mainly on the political and technological aspect of the subject. Not much in terms of the environmental dimension has been said and done.
    #10225
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    macdavis
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    OCEANOPOLIS wrote:

    IMAGINE.

    What if a seastead would have been already build by now. A big one, of, lets say 3000 ft, and a highly mobile one.

    I was thinking exactly the same thing. What I imagined, was a seastead sent out with a massive amount of hay in it. You lay the hay out on water, the hay sucks up the oil, you grab the now clumpy hay, blow dry it with hot air, throw it into a compressor, and sell the cubes as an energy source. Perhaps some environmental groups or private citizens might want them, as sort of a memorial to how a massive oil spill (leak) was stopped dead. “How seastead saved the Gulf.”

    Costs, pricing, and viability details I have not exactly worked out. Decanting the seawater might just work a lot better, as OCEANOPOLIS suggests.

    OCEANOPOLIS wrote:
    I think we should wait a bit more and if it gets to the size of Texas, than, out of nationalistic pride (since an oil spill cannot be bigger than our largest state) MAYBE the US Goverment might decide to get involved and send the Navy and the Seabees, which, by the way, shud have been done immediately after the spill,..

    Yeah, send in the military. Maybe they can shoot at it.

    #10308
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    Altaica
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    “I found a slick deal on some crude oil….” :P

    Anyone know how hard it is to seperate usable oil out of the water? Pulls up with your skimmer-tanker. fill up your tanks with crude then run. Then have a laugh as the stealing an oil spill headlines.

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    #10317
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    Terraformer
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    When I clicked on this thread, I thought it was about the risk of a seastead being trapped by an oil spillage…

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    #10318
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    To macdavis. I do like the hay idea, I watched that video. They did use hay on some of the beaches in Lousiana (of course, private citizens). When I said that they shud have send the Navy and the Seabees was for the purpose of sucking that sludge in the Navy refueling tankers (not to shot the spill, LOL). But maybe using napalm to burn it would have worked too.

    To Altaica. Forget about separating the sludge. Just get it out of the water….

    Anyway, sadly, the damage is done. They (BP) lied about the amount spilled from the DAY 1. Any oil company knows very good how much any of their wells are producing in terms of BOED (barrels of oil every day). The goverment estimate now is @ 20,000.00 barrels every day since DAY 1,..and that too is just an estimate,…could be twice, or 5x or 10x that bad. @20,000.00 barrels/day we have 33.5 MILLION GAL so far…

    17 nations offered help but the Gov, accepted only 2, refusing 15, as if they have it under control,…It seems to me that nobody in Washington gives a shit anymore. These bureaucrats are so far removed from reality there on Capitol Hill, as if they live on a different planet.

    Its disgusting.

    #10322
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    OCEANOPOLIS wrote:

    To macdavis. I do like the hay idea, I watched that video. They did use hay on some of the beaches in Lousiana (of course, private citizens). When I said that they shud have send the Navy and the Seabees was for the purpose of sucking that sludge in the Navy refueling tankers (not to shot the spill, LOL). But maybe using napalm to burn it would have worked too.

    To Altaica. Forget about separating the sludge. Just get it out of the water….What’s te going market price for Sludge?

    OCEANOPOLIS wrote:
    The goverment estimate now is @ 20,000.00 barrels every day since DAY 1,..and that too is just an estimate,…could be twice, or 5x or 10x that bad. @20,000.00 barrels/day we have 33.5 MILLION GAL so far…

    $73.97 a barral. Who’s paying for that oil? Of course no one is. If we just made them buy back spilt oil at fair market value. you can bet wouldn’t have to worry about them in the first place.

    17 nations offered help but the Gov, accepted only 2, refusing 15, as if they have it under control,…It seems to me that nobody in Washington gives a shit anymore. These bureaucrats are so far removed from reality there on Capitol Hill, as if they live on a different planet.

    Its disgusting.

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    #10336
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    Altaica, “assistance” comes in many forms. When the thought was the leak would be contained in days or weeks, and it would take a month or so for booms or techs or whatever assistance for other countries to get to the site, then it made sense at the time to say, “thanks for the offer, but we are mainly looking for a way to stop it right now, any suggestions?” – and when the answers all come back the same, they move on to other attempts. BP lied about its ability to contain a leak of this size. TransOcean’s blowout preventer didn’t, Haliburton did some shotty work with cementing the well, and the US government’s response has been relatively timid at best. Everyone shares some blame for this mess, including those driving cars and eating strawberries in the winter.

    The main question is, “Where do we go from here?”, because it’s hurricane season now, and soon enough, a tropical storm will sail over the spill site, and in the states of Mississippi, Louisiana, and Alabama… it’ll be raining oil. If you think what’s already happened is bad… just wait.

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    #10340
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    Altaica
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    Thorizan wrote:
    “Where do we go from here?”

    You ever hear of the Exxon Valdez? Those geting the free oil are going to the poor house. the rest are going to go about the their lives the same as before the spill.

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